Friday, December 19, 2003

Gadhafi Agrees to Disarmament; Homeland Security Warns of Terrorist Threats; Bremer Survives Attach

Gadhafi Agrees to Disarmament; Homeland Security Warns of Terrorist Threats; Bremer Survives Attack
Aired December 19, 2003 - 22:00 ET

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AARON BROWN, HOST: Good evening again, everyone. It was, like the top 40 disc jockey might say, a blast from the past. Moammar Gadhafi, the forgotten despot in these days of Saddam and Osama, agreeing to give up his weapons of mass destruction. This coming 15 years after he, or at the very least, his government, blew up a Pan Am jet over Lockerbie, Scotland, in a stunning act of terror. Some of the families of those who died that day are anything but confident that Colonel Gadhafi actually means what he says. But President Bush seemed confident enough to make the announcement himself, a Friday surprise that tops the program and begins "The Whip." Suzanne Malveaux at the White House tonight. Suzanne, a headline from you. 

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Aaron, it really was a stunning announcement here at the White House, that Libya was offering to give up its weapons programs. And with the fall of Saddam Hussein, now the dominoes are beginning to fall. 

BROWN: Suzanne, thank you. We'll get to you at the top tonight. Many, many questions tonight about all of this. Lots of blanks to try and fill in. David Ensor has been working on that. So David, give us a headline. 

DAVID ENSOR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, U.S. officials are saying that Libya turns out to have had a more advanced and larger scale nuclear program, program to try to develop a bomb, than they had realized. It also has a sizable chemical weapons arsenal. How do they know? CIA and British intelligence have been all over Libya in secret in the last few months. 

BROWN: David, thank you. And finally the arguments shaping the Kobe Bryant rape trial before it even starts. A major hearing in Eagle, Colorado. Gary Tuchman is there. Gary, the headline. 

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, tonight Kobe Bryant will miss his first Laker game as a result of his legal troubles. He came here to Colorado for a preliminary hearing. One of his major quests, to get access to his accuser's medical records -- Aaron. 

BROWN: Gary, thank you. We'll get back to you and the rest shortly. Also coming up tonight, a big loss for the recording industry in its effort to stop the illegal downloading of music. Then there's the story of Rush Limbaugh and his next big battle, keeping his medical records from prosecutors. We'll get some expert opinion tonight on the new design for the World Trade Center site that was unveiled today. Paul Goldberg, who joins us. He's the architecture critic from "New Yorker" magazine. It will be good to see him again. It's been awhile.And as always, we'll check your morning papers, plus a special musical moment to end the program. Oh, my goodness. The accordion guy is back. All that and more in the hour ahead. We begin tonight with today's surprise announcement on Libya. So much of a surprise, we really only have the outlines of the what, hints of the how and inklings of the why. First the what and CNN's Suzanne Malveaux. 

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MALVEAUX (voice-over): In a dramatic and historic shift in policy after decades of tension with Libya, President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair announced Libya is abandoning its nuclear weapons program. 

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Today in Tripoli, the leader of Libya, Colonel Moammar Gadhafi, publicly confirmed his commitment to disclose and dismantle all weapons of mass destruction programs in his country. 

MALVEAUX: For more than a decade, Libya had been diplomatically and economically isolated under international sanctions for its role in the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie. But last September, Libya took responsibility for the bombing and worked to reach a financial settlement. That process opened the way for nine months of quiet negotiations regarding Libya's weapons programs. The secret meetings were held in various European cities, involving Libyan officials, U.S. and British diplomats, intelligence agents and sometimes Gadhafi itself. CIA officials visited key sites in Libya, where they took photos and collected samples from Libya's weapons program. The culmination of their effort, an agreement whereby Libya pledges to eliminate chemical and nuclear weapons programs, eliminate long-range ballistic missiles, allow immediate international inspections and declare all nuclear activities. A senior administration official says Libya has acknowledged that North Korea helped develop its SCUD missile program and provided useful weapons technology. But the officials said none of the components discovered in Libya are from Iraq or part of Saddam Hussein's alleged weapons of mass destruction program. President Bush said, however, the world can learn from Libya's example. 

BUSH: Leaders who abandon the pursuit of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them will find an open path to better relations with the United States and other free nations. 

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MALVEAUX: But tonight a senior administration official says the U.S. is not yet ready to discuss lifting sanctions. They're going to see whether or not Libya delivers on its promises. Today's developments have emboldened this White House and has capped a week of stunning successes, from the capture of Saddam Hussein, to the cooperation of Germany, France and Russia to forgive Iraqi debt -- Aaron. 

BROWN: It's been a heck of a week for the White House. Is that what Libya gets out of this deal, assuming Libya wants to get something -- and I always do -- it gets the sanctions lifted eventually? 

MALVEAUX: Well, that certainly is a possibility. But the administration is being very cautious about making any kind of promises. They really want to see, first of all, if Gadhafi is good on his word, that he's actually going to let those inspectors inside of his country, that they're going to dismantle those programs. And then they'll be ready to talk about the possibilities of lifting the sanctions. But right now they say the discussions are really at the first initial stages. 

BROWN: Suzanne, thank you very much. Have a good weekend.For years, Moammar Gadhafi occupied the same role as Saddam Hussein, a villain with a capital "V," the central character in real world acts of terror as well as the star of a number of best selling thrillers based on the premise that one day he would get the bomb. How close he came and how he apparently came to give it up remains the stuff of classified briefings and history yet to be written. But bits and pieces are emerging tonight. With that, our national security correspondent, David Ensor. 

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ENSOR (voice-over): Based on visits by CIA and British intelligence officers to key Libyan facilities like this one in Rabta (ph), officials say Libya has a sizable stockpile of chemical weapons but appears to have stopped producing them years ago. There is also a large underground weapons facility at Tarhouna (ph). Years before any American had seen it, Pentagon officials offered this sketch of how it might look. A senior administration official says Libya has no nuclear weapons but has an ongoing evident to produce them, including uranium processing and enrichment facilities. U.S. officials were shown ten different nuclear sites. 

DARRYL KIMBALI, ARMS CONTROL ASSOCIATION: That is very surprising. The United States did not believe -- U.S. intelligence did not believe that they would have such facilities. But given that those are tin (ph) sites, they're diffuse. They're hard to detect. That suggests that these could have been hidden away. ENSOR: For about 25 years, the U.S. and Libya have had a hostile relationship. The U.S. declared Libya a terrorist state in 1979. U.S. pilots shot down a Libyan jet after it fired at them over the Mediterranean in 1981. Ten days after the 1986 bombing of a disco in Berlin killed an American servicemen and injured others, President Reagan retaliated by ordering bombs dropped on Gadhafi's compound. The leader's adopted daughter was killed in the raid. 

RONALD REAGAN, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We have evidence that links Libyans or surrogates to at least 25 incidents last year. These terrorist states are now engaged in acts of war against the government and people of the United States. And under international law, any state which is the victim of acts of war has the right to defend itself. 

ENSOR: Pan Am Flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, two years later. Britain and the U.S. accused two Libyans, including an intelligence officer, of complicity in the bombing. It was not until 1999 that the two suspects were turned over to a Scottish court meeting in The Hague. Some family members of those killed on Pan Am 103 are dismayed by the announcement that Libya is moving closer to normal relations with London and Washington. 

BERT AMMERMAN, BROTHER OF PAN AM VICTIM: And sadly, I think they're making another mistake in trying to talk to the devil. 

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ENSOR: Gadhafi has promised before to take steps towards ending Libya's isolation. This time administration officials are saying they believe he means it. Needless to say, though, like Suzanne, I'm hearing that U.S. officials are planning to wait and see before they reciprocate -- Aaron. 

BROWN: At the same time, the president of the United States and the British prime minister, they don't go out before the microphones to announce this unless they feel they've got a pretty good deal. Do you agree with that? 

ENSOR: Yes. And, you know, months and months of intelligence officers being allowed to comb all over the facilities in Libya, take pictures, take samples, do whatever they wanted to, that has built the confidence of President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. 

BROWN: David, good, fast work tonight. Thank you. David Ensor, our national security correspondent. A reason to feel better about Libya perhaps. But still plenty to worry about in the world. And at home this holiday season once again, homeland security officials are trying to assess what they say is an uptick in terrorist threats. They say the volume is up, the threats not specific. Big cities are always at risk, of course. Here's CNN's Kelli Arena. 

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KELLI ARENA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As crowds gather to shop, travel and celebrate, there is increasing concern about threat information coming in about a possible attack against the United States. 

SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: We have remained concerned about the volume of reporting of threats. 

ARENA: Add to the mix a new audiotape allegedly from al Qaeda leader Ayman al Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden's No. 2, with a direct reference to a possible strike on U.S. soil. 

AYMAN AL ZAWAHIRI, AL QAEDA LEADER (through translator): Two years after Tora Bora, thanks to God, as we are still chasing America and its allies everywhere, even in their own home. 

ARENA: Counter terrorism officials insist there is no credible or imminent threat information. And if there were, they say it would not be kept secret. Generally speaking, there is intelligence regarding New York City, Washington, D.C., and Los Angeles as possible targets. But those three cities are often mentioned. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we're told from our law enforcement people, to be on watch, be on guard, that there's a heightened risk over the next days, indeterminate period but over the next days. 

SEN. CHARLES SCHUMER (D), NEW YORK: I know in the holiday season, our police are well prepared. We are probably better prepared in this city than any other, and with good reason. 

ARENA: The U.S. has also received general information regarding possible suicide bombings. like those seen in Israel. and persistent reports of attacks on airports. (on camera) At this point, officials say, there are no plans to raise the national threat level, although it has been discussed. And despite the volume of information coming in suggesting a possible attack against the United States, officials are actually more concerned about an attack overseas. Kelli Arena, CNN, Washington. 

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BROWN: Now to Iraq, where U.S. forces are still very much the target for insurgents. Today we learned about an especially troubling attack, an attack on the convoy carrying the man in charge of rebuilding the country, Paul Bremer. It happened two weeks ago on the day Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was visiting in an area where attacks on Americans have come often. Pentagon officials say they believe the ambush was a random strike, not an assassination attempt. But that is a big unknown tonight. Reporting the story for us, CNN's Bill Hemmer. 

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BILL HEMMER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On December 6, the same day Paul Bremer is giving Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld a personal tour of Baghdad, officials say Bremer's convoy came under attack. While Bremer's armored vehicle was leaving a meeting at the Baghdad Airport, a roadside bomb exploded. A barrage of machine gun followed. Bremer's convoy sped away. No one was hurt. At coalition headquarters, a spokesman downplayed the possibility that Bremer was the target of an assassination. 

DAN SENOR, ADVISER TO PAUL BREMER: We have reason to believe that it was just a random, opportunistic attack not necessarily targeted at him. But it's premature at this point to make that conclusion. It's a determination that's going to come out in the course of the investigation. We'd like to let that play out. 

HEMMER: In Basra, Bremer was nonchalant when asked what happened by reporters. 

PAUL BREMER, U.S. ADMINISTRATOR IN IRAQ: As you can see, it didn't succeed. 

HEMMER: It's the second time a high-ranking U.S. official has eluded attack in Iraq. In October, when the Pentagon's No. 2 man, Paul Wolfowitz, was at the al Rashid Hotel, several rockets were fired into the building. One person was killed. Wolfowitz was unharmed. Coalition officials in Baghdad dismiss reports that Saddam Hussein loyalists have infiltrated the coalition. Elsewhere on Friday, an explosion ripped through a building belonging to the main Shiite political party. One woman is dead. At least eight others are wounded. In another bomb attack, a U.S. military tanker truck was blown off the highway 20 miles west of Baghdad. There were no casualties reported in that incident. (on camera) Paul Bremer insists that security is getting better in the capital city. He cites a 39 percent drop in violent crime in the last two months. But explosions that echoed across the capital city yet again on Friday show the city is still far from stable. Bill Hemmer, CNN, Baghdad. 

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BROWN: Ahead on this Friday edition of NEWSNIGHT, the Kobe Bryant case and questions of whether the accuser's medical history should play any part in his rape trial. Later, we'll preview another hearing involving medical records. This time Rush Limbaugh is at its center. And questions whether prosecutors should have access to his operation in their drug probe of him. That and much more as NEWSNIGHT continues from New York. 

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BROWN: The rape trial of NBA star Kobe Bryant is still months away. But today in a Colorado courtroom, arguments that will profoundly shape it began. The focus of today's hearing and another one planned. What evidence will be allowed once the trial starts? This is where things get complicated. This is where good lawyering counts. This is where lines are drawn around the information the jury will be asked to consider. Here's CNN's Gary Tuchman. 

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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On the same day his Lakers were scheduled for a home game against the Denver Nuggets, Kobe Bryant traveled to the Nuggets' home state, hoping the judge would allow the use of evidence his attorneys feel would help his sexual assault case. But after a long day of discussions in Eagle, Colorado, about what should and shouldn't be allowed in a trial, the prevailing feeling among observers is...

CRAIG SILVERMAN, COLORADO DEFENSE ATTORNEY: This trial not going to happen anytime soon. 

TUCHMAN: Standing 15 feet away from the alleged victim's mother and father, Kobe Bryant and his attorneys geared up to ask Judge Terry Ruckriegle a crucial question, will they be allowed to observe medical records of the accuser? Bryant's attorneys say the woman has tried to kill herself twice, and in legal documents, said she, quote, "makes herself a victim through purported suicide attempts in order to gain attention of her ex-boyfriend." But the judge never got to the issue, because he was first asked to decide if the hearing to discuss it should be done with the public and media present, something fiercely opposed by the prosecution and the accuser's personal attorney. The judge said he won't make his decision until the next motions hearing January 23, after receiving written briefs from attorneys. 

SILVERMAN: It's a big decision for the judge. It's a big decision for the media. It's also a big decision for the victim and the prosecutors. Ironically, it's not a big decision for Kobe Bryant. He really doesn't care whether the media is there or not. He just wants a crack at these witnesses. 

TUCHMAN: At one point in the day, the alleged victim's father, in the blue sweater, and her mother walked into the courtroom as Bryant's attorneys walked out. They did not acknowledge one another. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kobe, how did the hearing go?

TUCHMAN: Bryant had no comment when he left the courthouse Friday night. 

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TUCHMAN: In Colorado, a sexual assault trial is supposed to begin within six months after a plea. But Kobe Bryant was arrested five and a half months ago and no plea has yet been issued, and the judge is giving no indication when that will happen -- Aaron. BROWN: Gary, thank you. Gary Tuchman in Colorado tonight. The scope of evidence is crucial in all trials. Cases can be won or loss before a jury is ever seated. The question here is simple to ask, though hard to answer. What is fair? What is fair to the alleged victim? What is fair to the accused? Fairness matters to both. In any part -- is any part of a woman's sexual history relevant? Is her emotional condition? Does the defense have a right to such information? Should the jury consider it? Wendy Murphy is a former sex crimes prosecutor. She knows well the importance of all of these questions and she joins us tonight from Boston. Nice to see you. Thank you.

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Good to be here, Aaron. 

BROWN: I want to talk about her emotional -- the alleged victim's emotional condition for a second. If what we have heard is true, that there have been these alleged suicide attempts, is that not reasonable grounds for the defense to prime? 

MURPHY: I mean, I think the obvious answer is of course not. I mean, people have trouble in their lives. You know, they have trauma. They seek counseling. Look, Rush Limbaugh just left 30 days of inpatient care for some type of psychological addiction to drugs. Tipper Gore suffered with depression. Are we to suggest that if they, then, become a crime victim at some point in the future that those records should be made available, because who knows whether they're crazy? You can't speculate about someone's motive to lie in a criminal trial based on silly mythology about what their mental health patterns have been in the past. Now, if the defense knew that this woman was psychotic. If she went to the police and said, "I've been raped by Kobe Bryant, and I just arrived from the Planet Zeton and I want to talk about it," fair game to talk about her mental health. We don't have that here. You've got to make up a lot of facts to make her history relevant and they're not there. 

BROWN: Yes. I don't want to make up any facts but I also think that we're not necessarily helped by taking this to the illogical extreme. Because somewhere in the center here, it seems to me, is relevant or not. The defense argument is that she does things to attract attention, to get the attention of a former boyfriend. Why is that not reasonable to pursue, if in fact that -- if that is true? 

MURPHY: Well, first of all, Aaron, you're speculating about whether it's true. But even if it is true, how does that explain anything about the night in question? He wasn't her boyfriend. I mean, it's not as if it's a similar situation, a similar fact pattern. But, again, back to the premise, which I reject. There is no evidence that what you just said is true. Let's remember something about the William Kennedy Smith case. You want to talk about prior behavior telling us something about the behavior prior to the night in question. There were allegations from three other women that he sexually assaulted them. That was not allowed as evidence at trial. Why? Because that doesn't elucidate the truth about the night in question. Indeed, it distorts the truth. The jury was probably more likely to think he was guilty just because other people said he did it in the past. That's not fair to him. Same rules of evidence apply to all human beings involved as witnesses in criminal cases. 

BROWN: When we talked with you earlier, you said that in your view, as you look at this, that we are mischaracterizing this -- all of us in the media, by saying this is essentially a "he said, she said" case, that there is plenty more here. Of the plenty more, what strikes you as most important? 

MURPHY: Well, I think, frankly, Aaron, to call it a "he said, she said" is unfair because the most important evidence is her vaginal injuries. So I call it a "he said, she bled." And really, I've prosecuted hundreds, hundreds of sex crime cases. I've never seen such serious vaginal trauma. Now you can't take lightly the fact that she suffered these kinds of injuries, even though Kobe Bryant would like you to believe that that was from some other event or it's consistent with consent. You know Kobe Bryant is trying desperately to explain away those injuries because no reasonable jury is going to say, "Oh, yes, that happens with consensual sex." Because, frankly, Aaron, it doesn't. 

BROWN: Anything else in the -- just as you've watched this play out. There is this blood evidence on a T-shirt that they're trying to get thrown out. There are his conversation with the investigators that was taped apparently without his knowledge, tape they're trying to get thrown out. Any of that give you a sense of where the defense is trying to go here? 

MURPHY: Well, trying to get the blood evidence thrown out I think tells us that they know that her vaginal injuries are very serious. And they're even more compelling if her blood is on his shirt, because it shows the freshness of the injuries. With regard to his statements, you know, there have been reports that he made inconsistent statements. I call those lies. And when you lie to law enforcement, when they're investigating a very serious felony, that's damning evidence when credibility matters. And I'll tell you something ironic about this case. Why are his statements to law enforcement about a serious felony, public felony trial, why are they confidential, but we know all sorts of relevant, personal things about the victim's sex life, about the victim's medical history? There's something wrong with our criminal justice system in how we treat rape victims. This case is a classic. 

BROWN: Ms. Murphy, if I'm ever in trouble, I want you on my side. 

MURPHY: I'll be there for you, Aaron. 

BROWN: Thank you very much. Wendy Murphy from Boston tonight. Coming up on NEWSNIGHT, the fight to stop illegal music downloading. The music industry loses a court battle. But is the threat of legal action working just the same.Around the world, this is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: OK, even I have an I-pod. And I know, because I also have a teenager, that in addition to buying music from the Apple store or others, I could -- not will, but could go elsewhere for my music. Places on the Web where the songs cost less than the 99 cents that Apple charges: 99 cents less, let's say. The people who do this call it sharing. The record industry, of course, calls it stealing and has been cracking down in part by suing file swappers, large and small. They get the name from the swappers' Internet providers. But today a federal judge put the kibosh on that. Here's CNN's Jen Rogers. 

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JEN ROGERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In a major blow to the recording industry, a federal appeals court ruled that Internet providers don't automatically have to turn over names of Internet users illegally swapping music files. 

JOHN THORNE, DEPUTY GENERAL COUNSEL, VERIZON COMMUNICATIONS: This is a very big decision. I think it's the biggest, most pro- consumer decision of the year. A nice holiday treat for consumers.

ROGERS: Verizon Communications challenged a lower court ruling, arguing the law cannot force Internet providers to divulge subscriber names without a formal lawsuit. 

CARY SHERMAN, PRESIDENT, RIAA: This doesn't change the legal rights involved in downloading or our right to sue or anything else. It just involves the process by which we get the name of an infringer. So that process will change, but the lawsuits will continue. 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Illegally downloading music... 

ROGERS: Despite the legal setback, the recording industry says its campaign against online pirates will not be deterred, calling this a disappointing procedural decision.The appeals court decision aside, one court where the recording industry appears to be making strides is the court of public opinion. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't think it's right. It's stealing. It's stealing music, certainly. It's for real.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do believe that people who download music in a form are stealing. I don't know if they should be arrested for it. But there should be some sort of regulation on it, though. 

ROGERS: The recording industry believe it's educational and enforcement efforts are paying off. (on camera) A year ago a survey paid for by the industry found that 37 percent of respondents thought swapping music online was illegal. That figure now stands at 64 percent.Jen Rogers, CNN financial news, Los Angeles.

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BROWN: A few other pieces of business before we go to break, starting with a whiz kid gone bad, Daniel Gordon, a former chief energy trader for Merrill Lynch, pleading guilty today in a Manhattan federal court. He admitted to charges he stole $43 million from Merrill and helped his superiors cook the books. Rupert Murdoch got final approval today to acquire DirecTV. The deal, which is worth about $7 billion, has been years in the making. Markets today couldn't quite make it four in a row. Blue chips closed on the upside. The S&P and the Nasdaq lost a scintilla, or maybe a skosh. Still to come on NEWSNIGHT: Rush Limbaugh's records. We'll preview the coming court battle, as the talk show host argues that his medical records should be kept out of the hands of prosecutors in Florida. And later, in segment 7, we look at the new design for ground zero, unveiled today. A break first. This is NEWSNIGHT. 

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BROWN: It is safe to say, public figures are granted a smaller zone of privacy than everyone else. That's part of the bargain of being a public person. The size of it ranges, we suppose, from Greta Garbo at one end, to Paris Hilton on the other, with Rush Limbaugh somewhere in the middle. That means we don't see him in the bedroom, thankfully, but we do know the size and type of his drug habit. And because his drug habit is potentially a criminal matter, a battle will be fought in court in Florida on Monday over a prosecutor's and perhaps the public's right to see his private medical records. Here's CNN's Susan Candiotti. 

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): So far, the public has gotten a look at a drugstore list of more than 2,000 pills prescribed to Rush Limbaugh over six months, part of a criminal investigation into his alleged doctor shopping for prescription painkillers, the records part of an open-court record. But Limbaugh argues no one, not even investigators, have the right to pry into his medical history found in documents seized in searches of doctors offices. The admitted addict even read a statement from his lawyers, who called it a fishing expedition. 

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: "He's being subjected to an invasion of privacy that no citizen of this republic should endure."

CANDIOTTI: But prosecutors need a judge's permission to look at Limbaugh's doctors records. No one else can either. It's federal law. 

KENNETH PADOWITZ, FORMER PROSECUTOR: They can't just go on a fishing expedition. But they have to show the court that this is going to be an important element in their investigation in proving or investigating criminal charges in Florida. 

CANDIOTTI: Limbaugh's attorneys argue, a federal and state constitutional right to privacy outweighs investigators' right to pry. A former Florida prosecutor agrees, there could be a dangerous chilling effect.

 JAYNE WEINTRAUB, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You should be able to be comfortable that you could have, God forbid, a contagious disease, go into a medical office, seek treatment, get better, and nobody is going to know. 

CANDIOTTI: In court pleadings, Limbaugh's lawyers said: "Of necessity, patients tell their physicians intimate details in order to obtain medical relief. No citizen would wish minions of the state to finger through at their leisure."Experts in medical ethics agree, Limbaugh has a right to keep his records confidential, to a degree. 

KENNETH GOODMAN, UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI: He still has a right to having his medical information kept from the public. That doesn't mean he has a right to have legitimate law enforcement interests impeded. 

CANDIOTTI (on camera): Limbaugh also argues, his doctors aren't thrilled about treating him now that the state has seized all his records -- the battle over privacy now scheduled for a public court hearing Monday. Susan Candiotti, CNN, Miami. 

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BROWN: Some other stories making news around the country now. Former NBA basketball star -- well, yes -- NBA star Alonzo Mourning is on the mend after kidney transplant surgery. The operation took place in New York today. Mr. Mourning is said to be in good condition. Next to Virginia. Jurors weighing the life of sniper Lee Malvo heard why the prosecution believes he should die -- relatives of the victims taking the stand today. One, a woman whose father was killed, put it simply. "You are insane," she said. "You're evil." The defense makes its case next week. To Seattle. Chaplain James Yee arrived home to see his family, the first time he's been home since his arrest on accusations of mishandling classified information at Guantanamo Bay. He faces a preliminary hearing on the charges at Fort Benning, Georgia, next month. This has become a very messy case. Ahead on NEWSNIGHT: Could September 11 have been prevented? Some controversial comments made by the man heading the independent investigation. And then: What comes next? A review of the plan, the new plan for ground zero. From New York, this is NEWSNIGHT. 

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BROWN: This is the third Hanukkah, the third Christmas, the third New Year's the 9/11 families will spend without those they lost. And this year's holidays, already made difficult by the loss, are painful for another reason as well. The head of the 9/11 Commission, the investigating commission, said this week the attacks on September 11 could have been prevented. The people who could have stopped them simply failed to. He is not the first person to think this or say it, but he may be the most important. 

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THOMAS KEAN, CHAIRMAN, 9/11 COMMISSION: I do not believe it had to happen. 

BROWN (voice-over): Sometimes the who is as important as the what. And the who this time is the Republican chairman of the 9/11 Commission. 

KEAN: There were people, certainly, if I was doing the job, who would certainly not be in the position that they were in at that time, because they failed. They simply failed. 

BROWN: And while the former New Jersey governor said he was not referring to senior administration officials, he certainly got their attention. 

SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: There is nothing that we have seen that leads us to believe that this -- that September 11 could have been prevented. And we've previously said that. 

BROWN: The White House, which initially opposed the formation of the commission, has resisted more than once requests for documents commission members say they need. And an agreement to severely limit what portions of the president's daily intelligence briefs, material critical to the commission's work, continues to raise questions about how helpful the White House really wants to be. 

TIM ROEMER, 9/11 COMMISSIONER: I think it's a poor agreement and we shouldn't have reached it. 

BROWN: Commissioner Roemer and others argue the attacks could have been thwarted or at least reduced. But the key question, they say, is how to stop the next one. 

ROEMER: I worry that we are repeating some of those same mistakes, that we're not breaking down some of the cultures that refuse to share, that we're not creating organizations that are dynamic and agile and quick-acting enough. 

BROWN: The commission has already held six open hearings, interviewed 600 people. It plans more hearings next year. The CIA, the FBI director will be among the witnesses. And Roemer and some others want the president to testify as well. The chairman says the commission will assign blame when appropriate. 

KEAN: Yes. Some people will be held accountable for their actions. 

BROWN: By law, the commission is supposed to issue its report in May. 

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BROWN: As all this plays out, the effort to restore New York's skyline reached a milestone today. After months of headbutting and backbiting, the two architects who were forced to collaborate on the centerpiece of the new World Trade Center site stood together at the unveiling. The Freedom Tower will rise 1,776 feet, as Daniel Libeskind wanted. It will twist gently as it goes, fitting the vision of David Childs. A spire will top it off, as the original design intended. Mr. Childs added the latticework. The tower is expected to be topped out on the 11th of September, 2006, and finished two years after that. All of this came about because, although Mr. Libeskind is a master planner for the site, he had no particular experience designing skyscrapers. Mr. Childs does. And, besides, the governor of the state wanted it that way. Mr. Childs also works for the site's commercial developer, which counts for a lot. So there was a lot of contention over the last couple months. We would have been surprised if there wasn't, given everything going on down there and the emotion of it all.Joining us now, a good friend of the program, Paul Goldberger, who writes about architecture for "New Yorker" magazine.It's nice to see you, very nice to see you.

PAUL GOLDBERGER, ARCHITECTURE CRITIC, "THE NEW YORKER": Thank you, Aaron. Good to be here.

BROWN: Do you like it?

GOLDBERGER: Well, it's a lot better than I thought it was going to be. And when the two architects were locked in this bitter battle with each other, it really felt for a while like somebody had had this crazy idea that Matisse and Picasso had to paint a picture together, which doesn't really do either of them very much good. In fact, it has turned out better than I had hoped. 

BROWN: You had -- we talked once about if you could do this. 

GOLDBERGER: Yes. 

BROWN: And you had a kind -- I think you said what you'd like is a modern Eiffel Tower. 

GOLDBERGER: Yes, that's right. 

BROWN: Do you get that out of it? 

GOLDBERGER: Well, you're getting more of that than I had expected, in fact. It's a great spire. There is that latticework, the cable work at the top, which the architects say also evokes the Brooklyn Bridge, another great icon. And you have got a 70-story office building with all this other stuff bringing it way back up. So, in fact, it is, in a certain way, a symbolic tower. 

BROWN: We need to explain maybe a little bit -- and we can show some of this -- but the concept here is that the first 70 stories are occupied. 

GOLDBERGER: Yes. 

BROWN: The rest is not. 

GOLDBERGER: The rest is not. That's right, so that we have both the symbolic power, the icon, if you will, of the tallest structure in the world and something even taller than the original World Trade Center, which was very important to a lot of people, to respond with something taller. But because nobody really wants to occupy space up there, there are only 70 habitable floors. So, in a way, it's a very smart way to kind of have it both ways. 

BROWN: One of your great biases in this was that there needs to be there a skyscraper. G

OLDBERGER: Yes. 

BROWN: In the best sense of the term. 

GOLDBERGER: I agree. 

BROWN: Why? I know you agree. It's your idea. I just stole it from you. 

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GOLDBERGER: OK.I believe that one of the things that people missed most that was second only to the lives themselves was the sense that the skyline, which is a possession we all share. It's part of why we love New York. It's part of why the world loves New York -- that the skyline had been destroyed. And repairing the skyline was part of healing what we do. There's another reason, too, I think, which is that the skyscraper is the great American indigenous architectural form. It is to architecture what jazz is to music. It's a gift we gave to the world. What better place than at ground zero, where American culture was attacked, to not only heal the skyline, but also to innovate, to push the frontier of the American skyscraper forward in a whole new way with a new and innovative kind of skyscraper? 

BROWN: I think this -- so I'm going to ask this in a clumsy way. I apologize. But do you think it's possible that we'll build this thing and we'll -- its meaning to us will change over time? It's a building. 

GOLDBERGER: Sure.

BROWN: That's all it is. But that, as we see it, it will change?

GOLDBERGER: Sure. The meaning of anything changes over time. The meaning of the World Trade Center certainly changed over time. Nobody much liked it until it became a sort of structure of martyrdom, in a way. But even things like the Chrysler Building, which is beloved now, was thought of as kind of stupid and weird when it was brand new, in fact. I think one worry I have is that we're putting too much emotional weight into this building. 

BROWN: Yes.

GOLDBERGER: I don't know that any piece of architecture can quite bear all that we ask of this building. We want it to be an icon. We want it to be a symbol of renewal. We want it to be a symbol of memory. We want it to honor the old World Trade Center. We want it to honor all the people. We want it to restore the city to health. Well, that's a lot to ask for a single building. 

BROWN: It is that. It's, to me -- when I looked at it, I thought it was -- it's stunning. And I'm still working on whether I like it or not. 

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GOLDBERGER: Yes, I like it a lot better than I thought I would and better than the versions they had a couple of weeks ago, too. 

BROWN: Which is another part of the story. It's good to see you. 

GOLDBERGER: Good to see you. Thank you. 

BROWN: Have a wonderful holiday. 

GOLDBERGER: You, too.

BROWN: Thank you. 

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BROWN: Next on NEWSNIGHT, morning papers. We'll be right back. 

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BROWN: OK, time to check morning papers from around the country. We'll go pretty quickly tonight, because we still have a lot of important business to take care of, the accordion guy. We'll start with "The San Antonio Express-News," for no reason other than it's on top. "One" -- let's start again, OK? Just, we'll start again. "One Bullet Short of Hero Status. If U.S. Soldiers Didn't Kill Saddam Hussein Last Weekend, Arab Columnists Have Finished Him Off With a Vengeance." In the Arab world, they're not taking kindly to the fact that he just kind of meekly gave up. I guess they wanted him to shoot it out with the 4th I.D. Goodness gracious. "The Cincinnati Enquirer" leads with Libya. "Libya Forswears" -- I think that's the first time I've ever seen forswears in a headline. But, hey, why not? "Forswears Mass Weapons. Bush Says Decision Aids Worldwide Weapons Fight." Hard to argue that point, if it all plays out.I like this story. It didn't get much attention today, but it should have. "Teen Drug Use Drops Sharply Over the Last Couple of Years." And I haven't read enough to know why that is so, but it's good news anyway. Well, of course, it's good news, Aaron. Sometimes I talk to myself. "The Boston Herald," pretty simply here on the Gadhafi story. "I Give Up." By the way, I should have done this, but I didn't. I want to know how many different ways newspapers spelled Kadhafi or Gadhafi. It's one of those words. It's kind of like Hanukkah in that way. You can't spell it wrong, apparently. "Gadhafi to Scrap Nukes and Chemical Weapons." Also up here, we wanted to do this story today. We didn't get to it. "Pssst, They're Talking." It's the Alex Rodriguez story, the attempt to trade baseball's two highest paid players. It's fascinating. I'm telling you, even if you don't like baseball, this is too good. How we doing on time.For some reason, I chose "The Miami Herald," but the reason escapes me now. I think perhaps because they put the World Trade Center idea on the front page. I thought, honestly, it would be on every front page in the country. But maybe I'm a little New York- centric in that. Anyway, I like that. "Tribute to Freedom. Final Trade Center Plan Unveiled." We'll see what it finally looks like. How much time? Fifteen."The Chicago Sun-Times." "Yes, This is the Damn Ball." This is the one the kid tried -- the foul ball, you know? They auctioned it off for a ton of dough to a restaurant. The weather tomorrow in Chicago is "tranquil." It's tranquil. What can I say? We'll take a break and come back with a musical interlude. This must be NEWSNIGHT. 

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BROWN: Finally from us tonight, weapons of mass derision. No sooner was Saddam captured, he became the butt of a thousand Internet gags, the lion of Baghdad now a spokesman for your better grooming problems. Apologies to the tenor. A guy with trouble just like the rest of us, staying off of carbs. And one that looked surprisingly realistic around here, right down to the misspelling of Saddam's name -- or Santa's name. It would be nice to think that, one day, Internet pranksters might be able to topple a dictator, not just dance on his grave. Until then, it feels good to dance. And here at NEWSNIGHT, it takes an accordion to do that. Yes, Barry Mitchell is back. It is, after all, Friday. 

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BARRY MITCHELL, MUSICIAN (singing): They found him in a spider hole, hairy, dirty full of lice. You get the picture?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALES (singing): It wasn't nice.

MITCHELL (singing): That's when he fell, the leader of Iraq.He was the looniest of the loonies.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALES (singing): Loonies, loonies.

MITCHELL (singing): A terror to the Shiites and Sunnis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): What do you mean he was a terror to the Shiites and Sunnis?

MITCHELL (singing): But now he's met his defeat, hiding in a hole just south of Tikrit. He's just a shell of the leader of Iraq.Saddam's a prize we wanted to nab.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALES (singing): Nab, nab.MITCHELL (singing): He hid by driving around in a cab.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): Off duty, off duty.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): No passengers.

MITCHELL (singing): We carried out his abduction, but where are the weapons of mass destruction? I hope that he'll tell, the leader of Iraq.He climbed up from his hole and surrendered, looking haggard, but surprisingly hardy. And as they drove him away, the ace of spades, he was no longer that tyrannical smarty, but he sure could have used a "Baath Party." We caught Saddam, though it took a while. This ain't going to be no Judge Judy trial. Iraqis won't be downtrodden. Now could someone tell me, where's bin Laden? I'm happy we got him, the leader of Iraq.The leader of Iraq, now he's gone. The leader of Iraq, now he's gone. 

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALES (singing): Gone, gone, gone, gone.

MITCHELL: Bye. 

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BROWN: There are certain moments I'm just so proud to be the anchor of the program.Have a great weekend. We'll see you on Monday. And good night for all of us at NEWSNIGHT. 

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Thursday, December 18, 2003

Courts say Bush overstepping authority with detainees, Michael Jackson Formally Charged; D.C. Sniper Found Guilty; Green River Killer Sentenced to Life in Prison

Courts State Bush Overstepping Authority with Detainees, Michael Jackson Formally Charged; D.C. Sniper Found Guilty; Green River Killer Sentenced to Life in Prison
Aired December 18, 2003 - 22:00 ET

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LARRY KING, "LARRY KING LIVE" HOST: He was ill for a couple of days. Good to see him back in that familiar seat as he anchors NEWSNIGHT. You are strong and hardy and well again, I trust? 

AARON BROWN, HOST: Yes, close enough for television work. 

KING: What the heck? 

BROWN: Really.

KING: Aaron Brown is next. 

BROWN: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. King. We'll talk tomorrow. Good evening again, everyone. Life would be a lot easier if the great issues only involved good guys and not one-time gang members with uncomfortable connections. Jose Padilla is probably no angel, but he is an American. He was arrested in America. And today a court ruled he must be treated like an American, as uncomfortable as that may be for some. The Padilla case goes to the heart of the American system of justice, what is allowed and what is not, what one man, even the president, can do and what he can't. It is so basic, it transcends routine labels of liberal and conservative. We will visit a lot of courtrooms tonight, but none will be as significant or write history the way the Padilla case will. So "The Whip" begins there. The courtroom was in New York and so, too, CNN's Deborah Feyerick. Deb, a headline.

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Aaron, a legal setback for the president. An appeals court finding he overstepped his authority on who he can hold as an enemy combatant. 

BROWN: Deb, we'll get back to you at the top tonight. On to a somewhat simpler question. Did Lee Malvo understand what he was doing or was the young sniper brainwashed? CNN's Jeanne Meserve has been covering the trial from opening statements to today's verdict. Jeanne, the jury spoke. 

JEANNE MESERVE, CNN CORRESONDENT: Aaron, the jury decided that the 18-year-old Jamaican was not insane and found him guilty. They now must decide whether he will live or he will die -- Aaron. BROWN: Thank you, Jeanne.Next to Santa Maria, California, and Michael Jackson and CNN's Frank Buckley. Frank, the headline. 

FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Aaron, as expected, Michael Jackson was formally charged today with multiple counts of child molestation. Jackson did not have to appear, but his defense attorney strongly denied the allegations, saying this is a case about money and revenge -- Aaron. 

BROWN: Frank, thank you. And finally to a case where the victims could fill a courtroom, Seattle's Green River Killer. CNN's Rusty Dornin with that tonight. A final chapter, it seems. Rusty, a headline. 

RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, or the first time ever, serial killer Gary Ridgway faced families of the 48 women he killed. He showed remorse, but for many there is no closure, only the certainty he will spend the rest of his life in jail -- Aaron. 

BROWN: Rusty, thank you. We'll get back to you and rest shortly.Also ahead on the program tonight, Israel's leader vows unilateral action to remove settlements, a move condemned by Palestinians, Israelis and Americans alike. Later, another of our "On the Rise" segments. A young man who's written an adventure novel that could become as big as "Harry Potter."And after a day off, we end it all with a helping of morning papers, if the rooster is feeling up to it. And he is. All that and more in the hour ahead. We begin the hour with Jose Padilla and a very simple principle. So simple, in fact, so basic, it dates the Constitution by a good century or so. A person cannot be jailed unless the government can tell a court why. The prisoner must be produced, charges brought, or the prisoner goes free. Some would argue, the Justice Department included, that the Founding Fathers didn't have al Qaeda or dirty bombs to deal with. But today an appeals court said bombs and terrorists notwithstanding, that principle remains. Here again, CNN's Deborah Feyerick. 

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FEYERICK (voice-over): The appeals court ruling finds President Bush overstepped his authority by holding American citizen Jose Padilla as an enemy combatant in a military prison without formally charging him with any crime and without giving him access to a lawyer. In the 2-1 decision, the justices found the president does not have the constitutional power to detain as an enemy combatant an American citizen seized on American soil outside a zone of combat. Only Congress can authorize that. 

ANDREW PATEL, PADILLA DEFENSE ATTORNEY: What the court did say is that wherever Mr. Padilla is held next in civilian custody, is that he has the rights that all American citizens are guaranteed under the Constitution. 

FEYERICK: Eighteen months ago, Brooklyn born Padilla was arrested at O'Hara airport coming back from Pakistan. 

JOHN ASHCROFT, ATTORNEY GENERAL: We have disrupted an unfolding terrorist plot.

FEYERICK: The attorney general accused him of trying to build and detonate a radioactive dirty bomb in the U.S. While Padilla waited in jail, he was moved to a military brig. The White House and Pentagon argued the president should be able to detain enemy combatants anywhere to wage the war on terrorism. 

SCOTT MCCLELLAN, WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: We believe the Second Circuit ruling is troubling and flawed. The president has directed the Justice Department to seek a stay and further judicial review. 

FEYERICK: The government's holding two other men as enemy combatants in the U.S. Yaser Hamdi (ph), an American, was caught in Afghanistan fighting with the Taliban. After two years in custody, the government recently said it would let him see his lawyer. Also, Alisawa Al-Mari (ph), a Qatari man studying in the U.S. He was moved into military custody six months ago, accused of being an al Qaeda sleeper agent. The Padilla ruling does not apply to them. The court found Padilla must be released from military prison within 30 days. 

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FEYERICK: The ruling has nothing to do with Padilla's guilt or innocence. The government now has several choices. They can either transfer him to civilian court and charge him criminally. They can hold him as a material witness for use in a grand jury investigation. They can appeal, or they can let him go. That's not something they're likely to do -- Aaron. 

BROWN: Let's set the "let him go" aside, because I don't believe that's going to be happening. They're clearly going to appeal. I mean, that was, if you listen to Scott McClellan and you listen to the government, that's their plan. They're going to -- This will ultimately be decided by the Supreme Court? 

FEYERICK: It's very likely that it will be decided by a Supreme Court. They're looking at the judicial review right now. And what that means is the case was heard by a three-judge panel. The government could ask for the entire 12-judge appeals court to hear it. Otherwise, it could go to the Supreme Court. So they've got to make that decision, and they're looking at their options. BROWN: Thanks very much. Deborah Feyerick tonight. In one respect, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals had a simpler time of it in that Mr. Padilla is an American citizen and is being held on American soil. There are other permutations, namely the non- Americans held by Americans on a piece of American territory in Cuba. There was a ruling on that, as well, today and it also went again the government. Here's CNN's Kelli Arena.

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KELLI ARENA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): While a court in New York said Jose Padilla cannot be held as an enemy combat, another in San Francisco said the 600 plus detainees being held by the U.S. in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, are entitled to lawyers. Those rulings follow sanctions against the government from a judge in Virginia for not allowing accused terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui access to al Qaeda leaders he says can help his case. Each decision, legal experts say, calls into question the Bush administration's handling of terror suspects. 

MARH CHEH, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY LAW SCHOOL: It's a problem for them in this sense. They have so far proceeded as if they alone -- the executive branch alone, can make the rules, enforce the rules and answer to no one. Now, because of cases being brought in the courts, they're being required to at least answer to the courts on some questions. 

ARENA: But the legal report card is far from clear. For nearly every ruling saying the government is overstepping its bounds, there is another ruling saying it has firm legal grounding. Take the issue of detainees in Cuba. While the court in San Francisco said they should have lawyers, a court in Washington, D.C., ruled the prisoners had no right to the American legal system. 

BARBARA COMSTOCK, SPOKESWOMAN, FORMER JUSTICE DEPARTMENT: The American people do understand the president has these wartime authorities. And when you're at war and during hostilities, you have to detain individuals who are trying to harm U.S. citizens. 

ARENA: Most, if not all of these issues are expected to be decided by the Supreme Court. Already on its docket, the issue of Guantanamo detainees. (on camera) Legal experts say it's important to remember that these decisions are being made against the backdrop of terrorism. They say the weighing of national security against legal principles is the most complicated it's ever been. Kelli Arena, CNN, Washington.

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BROWN: Well, we first started talking about it here on this program before this program had a name. We talk about it a bit more now. We're joined tonight by Jonathan Turley. Jon teaches law. He's in Dallas tonight. A constitutional lawyer, among other things. And we're always pleased to see him. Here's the truth of it. We set out to find a conservative, legal scholar who would argue that the court got it wrong today. And we failed. That's the truth of it. OK? And the reason we failed is it's hard to find people, conservative or liberal -- I'm not saying they aren't out there -- who think the court did get it wrong. What is so simple about this, in a sense? 

JONATHAN TURLEY, CONSTITUTIONAL ATTORNEY: Well, actually, even two of the principal architects of this policy who just recently left the Justice Department, as soon as they left, they raised serious questions over the policy they helped create. And you see this departure from these policies -- I think rather belatedly. But as you noted earlier in the program, what we're talking about in the Padilla case could not be more fundamental, not just to the constitutional system but how we define ourselves as Americans. I mean, the trick about winning a war is not to destroy the thing that you're protecting. And what the court did today was a magnificent act. I mean, this is what the framers intended courts to do, to be independent enough to stand against the most powerful wind. And that wind is most powerful at the time of war, or in this case, you know, some people debate whether we're at war or not. But certainly most citizens have little sympathy for Padilla. 

BROWN: And that's all well and good from where I sit. I mean, you can like the guy or not like the guy and still support what the court did. I mean, I don't think that's the issue here. Obviously, one judge on that panel of three saw it differently. Does that give you any pause either to the strength of your own argument and your own conviction or the future of that decision? 

TURLEY: Well, it doesn't give me pause, not because I don't respect the judge. But many of us have believed since Padilla was first arrested that the president's argument was so extreme that it was untenable. I mean, what the president was arguing was that he could unilaterally designate a citizen an enemy combatant, and strip him of all his constitutional rights and access to courts and counsel. If he prevailed on that argument today in the Second Circuit, the entire Constitution would be a discretionary document, a subject of his arbitrary whim as to whether this citizen is going to get full rights and that citizen is not. And so we've had over the last few months a very sort of Caesar- like role of the president. He sends Zacarias Moussaoui into a federal court, even though he's a French citizen, sends Padilla into a Navy brig and strips him of all his rights. And the only difference between these two is the inclination of the president. And that is untenable for our system of law. No one is that powerful in our system. 

BROWN: You know, I -- Viet Dinh the other day on this program talked about a need -- one of the architects of the Patriot act, someone you referred to earlier as having now real concerns about the Padilla case and others -- said we all need to step back as a society and make some judgments about where we're going and what's to be allowed. Do you see in the society, in Washington where you hang out, that the Congress and the executive branch are prepared to do that? 

TURLEY: Well, I actually talked to two members today after the court said that you have to go to Congress to get this authority as the president of the United States. And one was a Democrat, one was a Republican. They actually called me on the decision. And I asked them, you know, would you be prepared to give them this authority? And both of them said no. I mean, the Constitution allows the president to -- allows Congress to suspend habeas corpus. But I don't think there's any intention to do that. And I think what you see in Congress is a certain rollback of some of the powers given to the president. And there is a certain morning after aspect of this where we're looking at how much we've lost since September 11. But we lost most of these things by our own hand. I mean, you know, the most chilling thing, Aaron, that I have ever read is the constitutional scholars was Benjamin Franklin told a woman outside of the convention when she came up and said, "What you have you done?" And he said -- she said, "What have you made and created?" And Benjamin Franklin said, "It's a republic, madam, if you can keep it." And that is the most chilling thing I've ever heard, because it reflects the fact that whatever legacy we have, it can die by our own hand. It can die by inaction. And today's decision really defended that legacy. 

BROWN: In the last minute here, Jon, you said something when we talked with you earlier that struck a chord with me. And that is, it surprised you how little conversation, how little national conversation there has been about this, whether it has been from media, whether it has been at the corner square, whether it's been in the has of Congress, wherever, that something this important has garnered so little talk. 

TURLEY: I think that's true. And even today, Aaron, if you look at how people are portraying this decision, they're saying, "Well, you know, Padilla could end up going here or there." Nobody is expressing any shock that what the court was saying is that the president had no authority to take an American citizen, strip him of his rights and throw him in a Navy brig for months. You can't get more fundamental in terms of a denial of rights, in terms of usurpation of authority than the Padilla case. But people are not outraged, even though that is precisely the type of abuse that animated, motivated the framers. 

BROWN: It speaks, I guess, to the power of 9/11 and a lot that's followed. Jon, it's nice to see you.

TURLEY: Great to see you.

BROWN: Thank you. Jonathan Turley with us tonight. We'll revisit this issue from a slightly different angle a bit later in the program. We'll be joined by Stephen Kenny who is, to our knowledge at least, the first attorney to have met with a client, a detainee, at Guantanamo Bay. He's coming up a little bit later. One other item, another thread in all of this. A British arms dealer was indicted in New Jersey today on federal charges of attempting to aid terrorists. Hemant Lakhani was caught in a sting operation in which he allegedly offered to sell a variety of weapons, including a dirty bomb, to someone he thought was a terrorist. Mr. Lakhani waived his Miranda rights, confessed, we are told, at some length, his lawyer now accusing the government of entrapment. Still to come on the program tonight, another round of court cases, it seems. First the case of Michael Jackson. Charges filed today in Santa Barbara County, California. The sniper trial, Lee Boyd Malvo, a guilty verdict there. What's coming up next. And then the emotional, emotional sentencing of the man known as the Green River Killer. Forty-eight consecutive life terms. But that barely tells the story of the court in Seattle today. From New York, this is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: Just reading the charging sheet is enough to make you gag. Pop star Michael Jackson charged with having sexual contact with a boy under 14. Nine charges in all involving this one child. Now, charging sheets are not evidence. And a prosecutor's accusation is only that. But charges were filed today and then fiercely denied. Here's CNN's Frank Buckley. 

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BUCKLEY (voice-over): An employee of the district attorney's office walked the criminal complaint into the clerk's office as cameras captured every step of the process. The three-page filing alleges that Jackson sexually abused a child under the age of 14 during two overlapping periods, between February 7 and March 10 of this year and February 20 and March 10. There are nine counts in all. 

TOM SNEDDON, SANTA BARBARA COUNTY D.A.: Seven counts of 288-A, in violation of the California penal code, commonly known as child molestation. And two counts in violation of penal code Section 222 that involves administering and intoxicating liquor to a child for the purpose of committing a felony. 

BUCKLEY: Jackson was not required to, and did not appear for the filing, but his attorney appeared before cameras in Los Angeles to say Jackson would fight the charges with, quote, "every fiber of his soul." 

MARK GERAGOS, JACKSON ATTORNEY: What we have here is an intersection between a shakedown, somebody who's looking for money, with somebody with an investigation that's got an axe to grind. 

BUCKLEY: Mark Geragos apparently referring to D.A. Tom Sneddon, who investigated Jackson on similar allegations in 1993 but did not bring charges then, because the alleged victim ultimately reached a financial settlement with Jackson and refused to testify. Sneddon denies any vendetta, and he also rebutted critics who said the pause between Jackson's arrest on November 20 and the filing of charges on December 15 spoke to a less than solid case against Jackson. 

SNEDDON: Somehow we issued an arrest warrant for Mr. Jackson and were hoping to gather information in the meantime, in order to buttress what some people have called a weak case. I want to categorically say that is false. 

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BUCKLEY: Sneddon said that the reason for that pause, Aaron, was so that the county could put together a web site to distribute the materials that are going to come out in this case so that the various members of the media could get access to that material. Mark Geragos, meanwhile, you heard is very strongly denying the allegations. He says that the prosecution will not prevail. Both sides will be in court together on January 16 for Michael Jackson's arraignment -- Aaron. BROWN: I think there are high school kids in my community that could get up a web site in about a day and a half. That notwithstanding, they clearly were fishing for other victims over the last month. 

BUCKLEY: Well, you know, at the press conference, we all know that Tom Sneddon -- this was several weeks ago -- in fact invited members of the community to come forward if there were any additional allegations. We thought, because we didn't know what he meant by multiple counts of child molestation when he said this several weeks ago, that there might be additional victims involved. But it turns out that, yes, there are nine counts involved against Michael Jackson, but they all involve one alleged victim. BROWN: Frank, thank you. Frank Buckley. In another courtroom on the opposite side of the country, a jury in Virginia has convicted Lee Boyd Malvo of all three counts against him, including capital murder. The jurors deliberated about 13 hours over two days. In the end they rejected Mr. Malvo's insanity defense. The question now, will they sentence an 18-year-old to die? Here's CNN's Jeanne Meserve. 

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MESERVE (voice-over): Lee Malvo's own confessions to investigators, crime scene photographs, testimony from victims and family members, and mountains of evidence, including a murder weapon with Lee Malvo's DNA and fingerprints on it, overwhelmed the defense contention that Malvo was insane at the time of the shootings. The verdict was unanimous: guilty of capital murder in the commission of an act of terrorism. Guilty of capital murder for the killing of two people in a three-year period. Guilty of using a firearm in the commission of a felony. 

ABBE SMITH, GEORGETOWN LAW CENTER: The evidence was overwhelming. The crime horrific. The defense novel. And the jurors death qualified. Those things altogether spell a guilty verdict. 

MESERVE: Lee Malvo, who in court has sometimes laughed and doodled, seemingly oblivious to the gravity of the events unfolding around him, was attentive when the verdict was read. He sat erect, staring straight ahead, betraying no emotion. The families of victims smiled, clasped hands, showed relief. 

BOB MEYERS, VICTIM'S BROTHER: We are extremely pleased with the verdict, believe that justice has been served. 

MESERVE: The verdict took more than 13 hours of deliberations, and some members of the jury appeared to be upset. But their work is not done. The sentencing phase of the trial commences immediately. The defense will underline that Malvo was a juvenile when the crimes were committed and argue for a penalty of life in prison without parole. 

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MESERVE: The prosecution will present victim impact testimony. They may try to introduce again the 911 tape of Ted Franklin calling after his wife was shot in the Home Depot parking lot. This jury has not heard it, and it is harrowing. They may also refer back to some letters that Lee Malvo wrote in prison to another inmate, this after the date that the defense says he was separating from John Allen Muhammad. One of those letters is about escape. And in it, he writes to another inmate, "If I was in population what the 'F' do you think I would be doing? Planning, waiting, looking every day. I don't know about you, but I'll die trying." The prosecution, of course, is asking for death -- Aaron. 

BROWN: Starts tomorrow? 

MESERVE: It starts tomorrow morning 10 a.m. 

BROWN: OK. 

MESERVE: And probably going to last a couple of days to put on the evidence. We don't know how long, of course, it will take the jury to come back with a verdict. BROWN: Jeanne, thank you very much. Jeanne Meserve.Of all the criminals and accused criminals we've reported on tonight, none is worse than Gary Ridgway. In some respects, he may be the worst ever. Mr. Ridgway murdered 48 women in a case that started a generation ago. Most of his victims were runaways and prostitutes estranged from both their families and in many respects, society. But today, both society and their families had their say. Here is CNN's Rusty Dornin. 

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RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Gary Ridgway told investigators he didn't remember his victims, their names or their faces. He called them trash. He had never expressed remorse to anyone. But at his sentencing, his gaze never wavered from the daughters, sons, nieces, sisters, mothers and fathers of those he murdered some 20 years ago. 

MARILYN MOLINA, MARIA MALYAR'S SISTER: Took away my best friend from me, 20 years ago. And, also, with that, he tore my family apart. 

CAROL ESTES, DEBRA ESTES' MOTHER: She was just an immature teenager trying to find her way in life before it was snuffed out by Gary Ridgway. I won't ever forgive him for that. He has destroyed my life. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm angry. I will always be angry. I will never have that closure. I will never have my sister back in my life. 

DENNIS MEEHAN, MARY MEEHAN'S BROTHER: I can only hope that some day someone gets the opportunity to choke you unconscious 48 times. 

DORNIN: Gary Ridgway confessed to killing 48 women in exchange for his life. No trial, no death sentence. Some here felt robbed. 

JODIE ARMAN, NIANDA SUMMERS' MOTHER: Shame on Seattle. Shame on you. There should be no plea-bargaining. If you're guilty, you're guilty. DORNIN: Some families talked about the justice they hoped Ridgway would receive behind bars. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's easy to kill women, but let's see how you do against the other prisoners in the general population. 

DORNIN: Ridgway never flinched when family members called him a monster. It was the act of compassion by the father of Linda Rule that broke the composure of serial killer Gary Ridgway. 

ROBERT RULE, LINDA RULE'S FATHER: When you've made it difficult to live up to what God says to do, and that's to forgive. He says to forgive all. So you are forgiven, sir. 

DORNIN: Nearly two dozen family members had their say. And then Gary Ridgway said things he'd never said before. 

GARY RIDGWAY, GREEN RIVER KILLER: I have tried for a long time to keep from killing any ladies. I'm sorry for causing so much pain to so many families. DORNIN: But the judge wasn't buying any late show of emotion. 


RICHARD JONES, JUDGE: I want you to turn around and just scan the audience right now. Those are the family and friends of the people that you killed. And, sir, if you have that drop of emotion, you will be haunted for the balance of your life. 

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DORNIN: The thing that's so incredible, Aaron, is this man, Gary Ridgway, claims that he does not even remember how many women he may have killed since 1982, when he began confessing last year. In fact, one of the 48 was killed in 1998. He also hinted to investigators he may have killed a woman in 2001. This plea bargain only applies to the 48 women killed here in King County. That's what spared his life. And I say if investigators were able to find evidence and connect him to a murder even in another county in Washington, he could be tried. He could be eligible for the death penalty. Until then, he will be in solitary confinement, life without parole -- Aaron. 

BROWN: Rusty, thank you. Rusty Dornin in Seattle tonight. The end of a story. Up next on NEWSNIGHT, we'll check some of the other day's top stories. And later, a dramatic announcement by Ariel Sharon, one that nearly everyone is condemning. How can that be? Around the world, this is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: On any other day, some of these stories might play a bit higher in the newscast. President Bush was at Walter Reed Medical Center today. He had his bad knees X-rayed, visited Secretary of State Powell, who is recovering from prostate surgery, cancer surgery. The president also met with some soldiers wounded on the battlefield. The president praised them for their bravery and marveled that so many talked so much about heading back to Iraq and rejoining their buddies. If it's Thursday, it must be Moscow, James Baker's final stop on his Iraq debt relief tour. After meeting the Russian president, the former secretary of state left with a commitment on Russia's part to start negotiations on settling Iraq's tab. Saddam Hussein's eldest daughter says the current Iraqi government has no right to try her father. She said this to CNN's Rym Brahimi in an exclusive CNN interview, her first on-camera interview her father's capture. Raghad Hussein said the interim government is illegitimate. She also accused the U.S. Army of drugging her dad. She says he never would have given up otherwise. At The Hague in the Netherlands, retired General Wes Clark did another day's worth of damage to Slobodan Milosevic. General Clark testified, the former Yugoslav president knew that they Bosnian Serbs planned a massacre of Muslims at Srebrenica. He learned this, he said, during negotiations with Milosevic several years later. And in case you're wondering -- and many of you must be -- how many roundups fit into one any segment, the answer is two. The "MONEYLINE Roundup" begins tonight with spam, Microsoft and New York's attorney general filing joint lawsuit today against a bulk e-mailer. The lawsuits allege consumer deception on the part of the company and demand a judge levy fines to the tune of $500 for each piece of spam. Look out, Apple. Wal-Mart is rolling out a music download service. Tunes will cost 88 cents a track, a dime and a penny less than Apple is charging at the iTunes music store. The retail giant says it expects the store to go online, as they say, sometime next year. New unemployment claims fell sharply last month, more so than expected, another a sign the labor market is shaping up, the pace of layoffs stabilizing. And if "The Chicago Sun-Times" were to sum up the markets today, the word would be socko, green arrows across the board, all of those indices pointing up. Still to come on NEWSNIGHT, we'll talk with the lawyer for one of the men being held in Guantanamo. One of them has a lawyer. And a dramatic step in the Middle East. Will Israeli Prime Minister Sharon's plan bring peace or just more trouble? This is NEWSNIGHT on CNN. 

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BROWN: This is one of those stories where all is not as it seems to be. It might seem that the Israeli prime minister talking about dismantling settlements, pulling back from occupied territory, regardless of what the Palestinians do, would be considered progress, maybe foolish, but progress. The Israeli prime minister did say those things today and virtually everyone considers it a step back. Here's CNN's John Vause. 

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JOHN VAUSE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Ariel Sharon says he just can't wait any longer. He won't wait for terrorism to stop and he won't wait to negotiate with the Palestinians. 

ARIEL SHARON, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER (through translator): We are interested in conducting direct negotiations, but do not intend to hold Israeli society hostage in the hands of the Palestinians. I have already said we will not wait for them indefinitely. 

VAUSE: The clock is now running. The Palestinians have just months to act, he says, or Israel will, under his plan, Israel will withdraw from most of the occupied territories, but keep the land it wants. Even so, he warns that some settlements will have to go. 

DAVID HOROWITZ, EDITOR, "JERUSALEM REPORT": The architect of the settlement enterprise has told the very people he sent into the West Bank, many of them at least, that they now have to leave. 

VAUSE: Earlier this week, police clashed with radical young settlers who were defending an illegal outpost. If the other major settlements are ever likely to be dismantled, this is just a small taste of things to come. Settlers are now warning, if the Israeli prime minister has lost patience, so, too, have they. 

EVE HAROW, SETTLER SPOKESPERSON: My thoughts are that the terrorists haven't broken the spirit of the Israeli society, but they most certainly have broken the spirit of my prime minister. 

VAUSE: Crucial to the withdrawal from the West Bank, Sharon says, will be the acceleration of the construction of Israel's barrier. 

SHARON (through translator): Today, we can already see it taking shape. The rapid completion of the security fence will enable the IDF to remove roadblocks and ease the daily lives of the Palestinian population not involved in terror.VAUSE: From the Palestinian prime minister, no effort to hide his disappointment. 

AHMED QUREIA, PALESTINIAN PRIME MINISTER: I was expecting that something new. But I want to confirm, reiterate our position. We are committed to the road map. 

VAUSE (on camera): The Israeli prime minister says these moves are not politically motivated, but, rather, are for security reasons. They're temporary, he says, not permanent. But he warns the Palestinians they'll pay a price for the Israeli withdrawal. They'll be left with less land than they would have received through direct negotiations. John Vause, CNN, Jerusalem. 

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BROWN: Back now to the question that began the program tonight: How ought the various people now in custody here or at Guantanamo be treated under the law and ought conventional laws comply? Steven Kenny's client, David Hicks, is an Australian. He's being held at Guantanamo. So far, he is the only detainee to have seen a lawyer, a meeting two years in the making. We're pleased Mr. Kenny is with us tonight. You said to me a minute ago -- I don't remember exactly the question -- "I can't talk about that." Are you limited in what you can say by an agreement you made with the government? 

STEPHEN KENNY, ATTORNEY FOR DAVID HICKS: Yes, I am. The agreement I made with the government was that I would comply with the rules of the military commission. And that is, defense counsel can only speak on topics with the permission of the appointing authority. I have permission on some areas. And others, I don't. 

BROWN: All right, tell me where you don't want me to talk about, then, because otherwise this is going to get mushy. 

KENNY: Yes. I'm limited on the facts of the case, particularly, and I'm limited on the immediate surrounding circumstances of David Hicks' detention. But I can talk about things that have been discussed 

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BROWN: OK. Broadly, Mr. Hicks -- you stop me if we -- well, you will. You're a lawyer. 

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BROWN: You will probably not only stop me. You'll probably sue me -- is one of the people who they are talking about a military tribunal for. So, in their view, he's a major, major, major catch. How did he end up there? 

KENNY: David Hicks not a major catch. What I can tell you about the facts is this, that David Hicks has never injured or killed any civilian, any U.S. military personnel or any Australian military personnel. So I don't think he's a big catch. I think he's a pretty small fish in a very big sea. He ended up there because he was in Afghanistan at the time the American forces and Australian forces went in there. He was captured by the Northern Alliance and handed over to the Americans and, subsequently, like a lot of others in these circumstances, sent out to Guantanamo Bay. 

BROWN: Do you believe he will face a military tribunal? 

KENNY: I expect that that's what will happen. He's likely to be one of the first ones to face a tribunal. 

BROWN: OK. What's his condition? 

KENNY: His condition for a person that -- you've got to understand the circumstances those people have been in now for two years, the interrogations, the locking in cages, the lack of access to the outside world. All of these things create a certain frame of mind in those people. And there's no doubt that was quite intentional on behalf of the authorities. But for someone who has been in those circumstances, I think he's survived better than I would in there. I don't think I would survive too well.

BROWN: Is he depressed? 

KENNY: I would say that he would be suffering some form of depression. I'm not an expert on that, though. 

BROWN: Does he -- is he in a population or is he totally isolated? You can't be partially isolated, can you? Is he isolated? 

KENNY: Yes, he is isolated. And I can say -- I can't describe the circumstance of his isolation. But, publicly, we have made known from a letter that he had that he's been moved from the jail population. And all he sees now is M.P.s. So he's isolated. 

BROWN: Do you know why he was moved or can you say why he was moved? 

KENNY: Well, I can speculate on it. And that speculation is that...

BROWN: We'll take it. 

(LAUGHTER) 

KENNY: Yes. He was one of the first six nominated to come before the military commissions. I think that the authorities realized that lawyers would start coming in, start talking to these people. And, clearly, they didn't want the message to get back to the rest of the detainees. 

BROWN: Literally a minute here. Can you tell me who he is, in the sense, I mean, who is this kid that ended up -- somehow went from Australia to a battlefield under some circumstance or another in Afghanistan? 

KENNY: He's a -- I would describe him probably as an adventurer. He really started traveling. He got overseas to Japan on a job training racehorses as a jockey over there. And from there, I think he started to open his eyes in the world and decided he wanted to do some traveling, became interested in the Muslim religion, led him to Afghanistan, and then into the difficulties that he has now got to. But it was really adventure I think that sparked this interest. 

BROWN: Do you think he'll ever be a free man? 

KENNY: Well, I think, in the circumstances, that, eventually, he should be a free man. I don't see why he shouldn't, at some stage, be a free man. He's not a major war criminal. He's not a major catch. 

BROWN: Thank you for coming in. 

KENNY: Thank you. 

BROWN: There's a million other questions. We'll save them for another time. Thank you very much. When we come back, we'll go "On the Rise" with a young man who's become a best-selling author. We'll take a break first. This is NEWSNIGHT. 

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BROWN: OK, this is one of those "On the Rise' stories we periodically do that makes us feel a little inadequate, perhaps a bit lazy, if we're being really honest -- and why not -- both. But that never stops us, which is a good thing, because Christopher Paolini, who has landed on "The New York Times" best- seller list for children's books, is quite something, a teenager who has created a fantasy world rivaling "Lord of the Rings." Meet the kid who makes the other kids want to read more and is clearly "On the Rise."

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CHRISTOPHER PAOLINI, AUTHOR, "ERAGON": The best job in the world. I get paid to write my daydreams down. I graduated from high school at 15. And when I graduated, I was looking for something to do. And I decided to try and write a story that I would enjoy reading. "A blast of icy energy surged into his hand and raced up his arm." "Eragon" is the story of a young man, Eragon, who becomes intricately linked with this beautiful sapphire blue dragon, Saphira. "Its scale were deep sapphire blue."They go on a series of adventures. And there's duels and dragons and battles and villains and romance and all the good stuff a story needs. I didn't think it was going to be published. It was just sort of an experimental project for myself. 

MICHELLE FREY, EDITOR, ALFRED A. KNOPF BOOKS: When I first got the book, I fell in love immediately. I knew that there was something magical on my hands. And I knew that Christopher had a gift. 

PAOLINI: I got an e-mail completely out of the blue from my publisher, Knopf, saying that they wanted to buy the entire trilogy. 

FREY: What's most impressive about Christopher's writing is the scope of his imagination. Christopher's writing is really in a class by itself. 

PAOLINI: Dealing with the kids is probably the best part of being on a book tour. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What inspired you to write the books? 

PAOLINI: A dragon. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you decide to make...PAOLINI: Having kids come up to me and saying, "Eragon" was my favorite book or having the teachers come up to me and saying, that kid does not read and there he is reading an Eragon book. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was addicted to it. When I got home, I finished my homework as quickly as possible, stayed up large.

PAOLINI: All of my characters come from some part within me. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I really love the storyline. It makes me almost feel away from the present, like a different world. 

PAOLINI: Out of it crawls this beautiful sapphire blue baby dragon. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After I read the first sentence, I was so interested. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's really cool. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think, when I'm old, I'm going to try to write a book, too, because...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Being an author would be fun. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

PAOLINI: I invented three languages for "Eragon." There is a blessing that's given in the book. And it goes...

(SPEAKING IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGE) 

...The languages started off pretty much just as an entertainment for myself. 

GERARD DOYLE, NARRATOR, "ERAGON" AUDIO BOOK: I was just blown away by the range of characters and the complexity of the languages. PAOLINI: I think that's it.

DOYLE: I imagine a very, very rosy future for this young man. PAOLINI: Wonderful movie. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're going to be in the movies and all that kind of stuff. But it's going to go big. 

PAOLINI: I can't say enough about the movie deal. When I first found out that "Eragon" was being optioned by the Fox 2000 studio, I could not speak. I got called by my agent. I could not speak for about 30 seconds. Thank you. It's been a very long 15-city book tour, but I've met some incredible people. Smile. Say Eragon. CROWD: Eragon. 

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BROWN: My kid went to the mall today. Morning papers in a moment. 

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BROWN: I really shouldn't be at work today, but I miss doing morning papers. And I can't really do them when I'm at home. So we'll take a look at morning papers from around the world and around the world.We'll begin with "The Richmond Times-Dispatch," because they've got themselves a lead story, don't they? "Malvo Convicted of Capital Murder. Sniper Faces Death or Life in Prison After Being Found Guilty of Terror, Multiple Killings." That's their lead. And Michael Jackson on just about every front page, like it or not. There it is. And "Two Setbacks For War on Terror," the court cases today. That's "The Richmond Times-Dispatch." If you're traveling here in the United States, as many of you may be, "USA Today" will arrive in your hotel. And that front page is just chock-full of stuff. I've got to tell you, they've got some football thing up in the corner, Michael Jackson at the top, Gary Ridgway and Lee Malvo, day of reckoning, in the middle. And "Court: U.S. Can't Hold Citizen as Combatant." This one caught my eye. "Calendars: Picking One Can Age You." "PDA Sales" -- those are little palm-like gizmos -- "Lag as Many Stick With Old-Fashioned Paper." Really? Is that really happening? Well, you don't know, do you?"The Atlanta Journal-Constitution." This is just two weeks after Mississippi State named a black football coach. "UGA Picks Top Dawg," first black athletic director in the SEC was Dooley. That must be Vince Dooley, right, the former football coach, Vince Dooley's choice. That's a big story down there. I like this one, too. "Ex-Strip Club to House Church." Kind of a man-bites-dog story there. "The Miami Herald." "Detentions Unlawful, Court Says." They also put the sniper on the front page. But this is the best story on the front page. "For Mobsters, Florida Always a Second Home." I know that. I saw that on an episode of "The Sopranos." So I know that that is true."The Jerusalem Post" doesn't lead with any of that nonsense. It leads with "P.M." -- prime minister -- "Details Disengagement Plan." That's their lead.How we doing on time?

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BROWN: Thank you. Down at the bottom of "The Cincinnati Enquirer," "Businessman Driving Force For Synagogue." Why is that on the front page? Hanukkah starts tomorrow, so they need a kind of Jewish related story to go on the front page. And they found one. I haven't read it. It's probably a fine story. "The Chicago Sun-Times." The weather tomorrow in Chicago is "mundane." And they lead with whatever that thing is and the Padilla ruling on the front page -- "The Chicago Sun-Times."We'll wrap up the day after the break.

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BROWN: Before we leave you tonight, a quick recap of our top story. A federal appeals court has ruled that Brooklyn-born Jose Padilla, a suspected al Qaeda operative, must be released from military custody within 30 days. He's been detained for more than a year, never formally charged with a thing, never seen a lawyer. In its ruling, the court said the president has no legal authority to indefinitely detain an American citizen who is not captured on the battlefield. Tomorrow night on this here program, the long-awaited final design for the building that will replace the World Trade Center. We'll take a look. That's tomorrow night here on NEWSNIGHT. For most of you, "LOU DOBBS TONIGHT" is next. We'll see you tomorrow. 

Good night for all of us at NEWSNIGHT. 

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