Thursday, November 20, 2003

Jackson Back in Vegas After Posting Bail; Bombing in Turkey Kills 27; Protesters in London Take to Streets

Jackson Back in Vegas After Posting Bail; Bombing in Turkey Kills 27; Protesters in London Take to Streets
Aired November 20, 2003 - 22:00 ET

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AARON BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening again, everyone.What we saw for much of the day today the wall-to-wall coverage of a news event was quite literally invented 40 years ago this coming weekend. That may be the only connection the Michael Jackson story has with the bulk of our program tonight.When President Kennedy was shot in Dallas, TV news in many ways was born. The coverage was non-stop or virtually so. Commercials were dropped. In many ways the role of the anchorman emerged and the TV set became a place where we didn't just get information but where we shared a common experience.Tonight and tomorrow much of the program will be spent revisiting that common experience. Tomorrow how the event was reported by the man who did so much of the reporting, Walter Cronkite, tonight we look at the investigation. Some more on that in a few moments.The news of the day comes first and you know where that begins. The whip begins in Santa Barbara, California, CNN's Frank Buckley, Frank pick a headline. You got several.

FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Aaron, as expected Michael Jackson turned himself in to authorities here in the Santa Barbara area. Unexpectedly, Michael Jackson returned to the Las Vegas area tonight and literally stopped traffic as well wishers came to his SUV to greet him. We'll show you that in a moment.

BROWN: Frank, thank you very much.Turkey next, another round of suicide bombings, a horrible scene in Istanbul where CNN's Chris Burns has the sad watch tonight, Chris a headline.

CHRIS BURNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Aaron, 27 dead in this attack, more than 450 injured, more than 100 still in the hospital, an eerie sight here, a British bank building 18 stories tall shrouded in this fog, shrouded in the dark with a car-sized crater outside and officials trying to figure out what is -- who is exactly behind what appears to be another al Qaeda attack -- Aaron.

BROWN: Chris, thank you very much.And finally to Miami, Florida, the subject of world trade was enough to cause a riot. CNN's Susan Candiotti was in the thick of it today so, Susan, a headline from you.

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Aaron. All quiet on the streets of downtown Miami tonight but anything but that earlier this day as protesters clashed with police. Yet in the end tonight apparent agreement over creating a free trade block -- back to you.

BROWN: Thank you, Susan. We'll get back to you shortly and the rest as well.

Also ahead tonight we'll spend a considerable portion of the program talking about the assassination of President Kennedy which happened 40 years ago this weekend. We'll look at the events at Dealey Plaza that day and the efforts, considerable efforts to investigate the crime.We'll explore one of the most controversial aspects of the investigation, the so-called single bullet theory and we'll look at why after so many years so many people still believe that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone.

And later, of course, the rooster will in fact crow and we will check morning papers too, all that and more in the hour ahead.We begin with the Michael Jackson saga which has gone from sideshow to three-ring circus in just a couple of days' time. There was a perp walk today, the mug shot. Mr. Jackson is 5'11", 120 pounds, by the way.The mascara all of it accompanied to coin a detective down here -- collected down rather by an O.J. of reporters. Lost in all of this perhaps long ago a singer who was for a time as big as Elvis or The Beatles or Frank Sinatra and somewhere buried in all the noise today there's a child at the center of the charges that could put Michael Jackson away for years if not the rest of his life.

Here's CNN's Frank Buckley.

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BUCKLEY (voice-over): One of the most famous faces in the world had never been seen like this in a mug shot taken after Michael Jackson was arrested. Jackson denied photographers the shot of him being taken into custody after he arrived in Santa Barbara by private jet to turn himself in. His pilot parked the jet halfway inside a hangar here deputies were waiting.At the Inmate Reception Center though a handcuffed Jackson could be seen going into the facility where he was booked. His attorney claimed Jackson would fight the charges.

MARK GERAGOS, JACKSON'S ATTORNEY: He's come back specifically to confront these charges head on. He is greatly outraged by the bringing of these charges. He considers this to be a big lie. BUCKLEY: Jackson later issued a statement saying "lies run sprints but the truth runs marathons. The truth will win this marathon in court." One of Jackson's brothers, meanwhile, expressed his anger over the arrest in a phone call to CNN.

JERMAINE JACKSON, BROTHER: I am sick and (unintelligible) tired of everybody saying these things about my family. We will fight and we will stand up and everybody that knows this family around the world will support us because at the end of the day this is nothing but a modern-day lynching.

BUCKLEY: Michael Jackson emerged from the booking process with a wave and a victory sign and then he boarded a private jet and flew back to the Las Vegas area where his day had started. There his SUV crawled through traffic with well wishers coming over to shake hands with the King of Pop now accused of child molestation.

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BUCKLEY: And Michael Jackson was able to return to Las Vegas because he was released on $3 million bail. As part of that bail arrangement, Aaron, he had to surrender his passport but apparently it didn't prohibit travel outside of California. His next court appearance will be January 9. That's when he'll be formally arraigned.

BROWN: And he'll hear the charges and enter a plea?

BUCKLEY: He will possibly enter a plea. That's when many defendants enter a plea but it's not something that a defendant has to do at that particular moment but it's possible that he'll enter a plea and I think likely what he has said so far that he would enter a plea of not guilty.

BROWN: I think based on the facts as we know them that's a pretty safe assumption. Frank thank you very much, Frank Buckley out in Santa Barbara.

Other news of the day the State Department tonight warning Americans to put off all non-essential travel to Turkey, the warning issued shortly after suicide bombers, most likely it seems affiliated with al Qaeda, have for a second time in five days turned the Turkish city of Istanbul into a slaughterhouse.

First they targeted Turkish Jews now the British in Turkey. As always, many of the victims are Muslims and one analyst said today al Qaeda has plunged itself into a self destructive phase alienating the Islamic world with each new attack.

A small sign of hope perhaps in a sad sort of way because even if true self destruction is plenty destructive enough as the British and the Turks and the world saw today.

Here's CNN's Chris Burns.

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BURNS (voice-over): Witnesses said they thought it was another Istanbul earthquake and then they saw the body parts, the limbs, the bits of flesh strewn far from the blast sites.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I was in front of the bar and suddenly we heard a huge explosion. We didn't understand what was going on. All we could see was blood, glass and wreckage. The bodies were just lying on the street. It's a horrible situation.

BURNS: The late morning bombs went off just minutes and slightly more than two miles apart, apparently aiming for the maximum casualties in this bustling port city and financial capital.The targets, the British Consulate and the world's second largest bank based in London. Among the dead the British consul general, an obvious strike at Turkey's close ties with the west as well as against a country deeply involved in the U.S.-led war on terror.

JACK STRAW, BRITISH FOREIGN SECRETARY: Let us also be clear that these attacks are attacks on the whole of humanity. Yes, today it was a direct attack on the British post here in Istanbul and a British- based, very large business

HSBC. Last week here in Istanbul it was synagogues but many Muslims were killed. Tomorrow who knows because these are people who are full of hatred. They are fanatics.

BURNS: Turkish officials say they believe the attacks were linked to Saturday's dual bombings of two synagogues, attacks that officials say involved two Turkish suicide drivers who spent time in Afghanistan.

TAYYIP ERDOGAN, TURKISH PRIME MINISTER (through translator): These people and the people who work with them are condemned to be destroyed by our solidarity and our determination.

BURNS: Prime Minister Erdogan has sought to maintain close relations with the west despite coming to power last year leading a party with Muslim fundamentalist roots.By striking at Turkey's financial heart the attack appeared not only aimed at destabilizing the government but also Turkey's already tenuous economic recovery.Turkey's stock market plunged more than seven percent after the bombings before suspending trading. The country is dependent on billions from the International Monetary Fund.

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BURNS: And, Aaron, tonight the U.S. and British governments are telling their countrymen for those of us who are here in Istanbul to proceed with caution. The U.S. Embassy is even saying there could be more attacks and for Americans to avoid any western-oriented businesses or religious institutions -- Aaron.

BROWN: As you mentioned this is a government that has its roots in fundamentalist Islam, an elected government. What -- in Istanbul does al Qaeda or do the extremists have much popular support?

BURNS: No, very little, Aaron. This is really not the part of the country to look at that. This is really the most westward leaning and westward oriented part of the country. The part to look at is really in the southeast in the (unintelligible) area region. That is where it is believed the first two suicide bombers came from last week, last weekend, and that probably is where the government is looking most closely. However, of course, they are looking here for any kind of local involvement on the ground. Obviously it has to be very well coordinated here on the ground. They did need some kind of help right here in Istanbul.

BROWN: And just as quickly as you can do they believe this is al Qaeda as in an al Qaeda directed operation or is this do they believe the work of people with sympathies to al Qaeda or an affiliation with al Qaeda?

BURNS: It's more like people with sympathies. In fact we had a briefing with an Israeli military official in Jerusalem who is very close -- who knows about this investigation and says that yes, in fact, it does look like there were two Turks who were involved in arranging it but they did have links outside of the country possibly through Pakistan. That is where investigators are looking. It is in that direction. Some kind of Turk involvement, however, linked to some kind of international group very possibly al Qaeda.

BROWN: Chris, thank you very much, Chris Burns in Istanbul.

BURNS: Thank you.

BROWN: The location of the bombings caught British authorities somewhat off balance. They had been on guard against the possibility of attacks in the UK on the occasion of President Bush's visit there. We're obviously not privy to the inner workings of the security machinery but it's a safe bet such precautions are being redoubled tonight. What we can report is the reaction of President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. A report from our Senior White House Correspondent John King.

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JOHN KING, CNN SR. WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Istanbul attack added urgency to the talks at 10 Downing Street and brought fresh commitments to press ahead in the war on terror.

TONY BLAIR, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: We are not going to back down or flinch at all from this struggle.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Today once again we saw their ambitions of murder.

KING: Both governments suggested al Qaeda and its allies are again to blame and both leaders say a thriving democracy in Iraq will be a powerful deterrent to terrorism.

BUSH: The spread of freedom and the hope it brings is the surest way in the long term to combat despair and anger and resentment that feeds terror.

KING: That the British were targeted by terrorists while the president was in London was viewed as no coincidence. Mr. Blair bristled when asked if it was the price for standing firm with Mr. Bush.

BLAIR: It's not the president of the United States. It's not the alliance between America and Britain. What is responsible for that terrorist attack is terrorism, are the terrorists.

KING: And Britain's foreign secretary cited the September 11 attacks and taking issue with those who suggest the war in Iraq and more specifically Mr. Bush are provoking the terrorists.

STRAW: It was planned under the presidency of Bill Clinton even if it were executed under the presidency of George W. Bush.

KING: Protesters took to the streets of London by the tens of thousands. Many made clear they do blame Mr. Bush for inciting terror and would prefer he meet the same fate as Saddam Hussein.(on camera): The president's final stop on Friday is in Mr. Blair's home district in northern England, part of an effort by the prime minister to make the case that while those who wish he would not stand so close to Mr. Bush are quite vocal they do not in his view represent the majority here.

John King, CNN, London.

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BROWN: Another rough day in Iraq. Despite fewer attacks on American forces, perhaps as a result of the increased military operations of late, the attacks are still happening. A soldier was killed today by a homemade bomb in Ramadi and seven locals died in a pair of attacks nearby.Here's CNN's Walter Rodgers.

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WALTER RODGERS, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In Ramadi, an hour west of Baghdad the target was thought to be the home of a major tribal leader but the powerful car bomb exploded and blew up part of another sheikh's home. Both sheikhs survived but more than a few civilians were less fortunate.

This kind of violence is commonplace in the so-called Sunni Muslim Triangle. Witness the bullet holes and blood in the ambulance that rushed to the scene to help. Even ambulances are not immune in Iraq. "There was a lot of shooting" this ambulance attendant said "trying to answer the call. The sheikh's security guards were shooting at us."

In northern Iraq, Kirkuk, another vehicle rigged with powerful explosives created more death outside the top Kurdish party offices and because the bomb went off near two schools children were among the victims in this oil-producing center. Qubad Talabani is the son of a major Iraqi political figure.

QUBAD TALABANI, PATRIOTIC UNION OF KURDISTAN: But we are appalled at what's happened because those that have been killed are innocent civilians, women and children.

RODGERS: U.S. soldiers here to protect the Iraqis are clearly not yet equal to the task and a top general said he thinks Iraqi insurgents are behind the blasts recruiting outside the country for suicide bombers this to thwart the American efforts.

BRIG. GEN. MARTIN DEMPSEY, U.S. ARMY: When they want to discredit it, I think they go outside to get a volunteer, a jihadist, call him what you want, a foreigner to come in and drive the car.

RODGERS (on camera): The U.S. military now says it has reduced attacks on the coalition 70 percent over the course of the past week during Operation Iron Hammer. It is not clear, however, whether the insurgents have been put out of business or just temporarily gone to ground.Walter Rodgers, CNN, Baghdad.

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BROWN: Until relatively recently the words international trade negotiations were barely worth a yawn even though billions of dollars and millions of jobs hinged on the outcome of such talks. Now international trade seems to cause a riot wherever the subject comes up, first in Seattle then Italy, today Miami.

Here's CNN's Susan Candiotti.

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CANDIOTTI (voice-over): After a day of violence police showed off some of what they confiscated, bottles or urine, some thrown at police, and gas masks, knives, slingshots.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Imagine getting hit in the head with this heavy marble. This would not only hurt you this would kill you.

CANDIOTTI: Intelligence predicted trouble on the fourth day and it was right on the money. Protesters who authorities say did not have required marked permits mixing it up with police. At one point they used hooks trying to tear down an eight foot high fence erected near the hotel where trade ministers are meeting.

FRANK FERNANDEZ, MIAMI DEPUTY POLICE CHIEF: They threw an explosive device at the officers as well as gas. They actually pulled gas against the officers.CANDIOTTI: The self described anarchists and union protesters failed to scuttle a free trade agreement Thursday night. Ministers ignored the trouble outside agreeing on a framework for the world's largest free trade block.

ROBERT ZOELLICK, U.S. TRADE REPRESENTATIVE: We need to be both ambitious and balanced at the same time.

CANDIOTTI: Opponents argue a free trade zone will force American job cuts and hurt workers worldwide. Miami's demonstrators, peaceful for the most part, up against a massive police presence. The trouble here did not come close to riots that rocked similar trade summits in Seattle, Canada, and Mexico. Miami's police chief belittling self described anarchists.

CHIEF JOHN TIMONEY, MIAMI POLICE DEPARTMENT: Knuckleheads will be knuckleheads. They can't help themselves.

CANDIOTTI: Now, chief, should you be calling them knuckleheads?

TIMONEY: Well, what else would I call them? These are not legitimate protesters.

CANDIOTTI: Unions led by the AFL-CIO were able to stage a peaceful protest yet their message somewhat lost among these images.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's a lot of sort of trigger happiness I think among the police here but even that having been said I think they've restrained themselves pretty well although not entirely.

CANDIOTTI: Here police flashing a taser gun dragged away a protester, one of about 75 arrested during the day.

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CANDIOTTI: Trade summit participants reached an agreement, it won't be finalized until 2005, a day earlier than expected and police perhaps more as they hoped rather than expected were able to stave off what could have been even more trouble -- Aaron.

BROWN: I understand where the unions are in this. Tell me where the anarchists are in this. What is it they want or don't want?

CANDIOTTI: Well, it's really hard to pinpoint because you get different answers depending on who you ask. What they don't want is a free trade block set up for many, many, many reasons but primarily because they say it will hurt workers worldwide. They hate the idea of capitalism too so it's hard to pin them down -- Aaron.

BROWN: Susan, thank you, stay safe over the next couple of days.Ahead on NEWSNIGHT we begin our look at what happened in Dealey Plaza 40 years ago Saturday, the assassination of President Kennedy and the questions about it that remain unanswered two generations later.From New York this is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: We were looking at 40-year-old newspaper headlines today. There was something stark about them just black and white. Everything about the events of 40 years ago seem black and white to us. Our memories have added color but that's not the way we saw them first.What we are about to lay out for much of the rest of the program is not some great investigative piece. We will not at the end of the program announce we now know the real killer of the president and all the previously unknown conspirators.

Rather it is a straightforward look at the investigations one official, many not that went on for years and literally still go on today. This journey begins, as it must, in Dallas on a Friday afternoon when in so many ways we were much younger.

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BROWN (voice-over): It is an utterly unremarkable building and yet a half a million people come to visit it every year and have for decades. They pose for snapshots not far from the grassy knoll. They teach their children of its history. They take guided tours, buy books and tapes but many, most in fact, do not accept what history has told them.

GIGI EWING, FORT WORTH, TEXAS: There was just so much at the time that left so much doubt that I guess it's just hard to really feel that the real truth is known about it.

GARY M ACH, CURATOR, 6TH FLOOR MUSEUM: The public opinion polls have shown very clearly since the weekend of the assassination that fewer than 50 percent believe it was just one guy.

BROWN: One guy, a 24-year-old former Marine who purchased a mail order rifle for $12 and change and a scope for another $8. How could it be just one guy?

DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: People don't want to believe that he could have been brought down by just a street urchin that it had to be, you know, done by some vaster conspiracy network.BROWN: Since the assassination more than 60 people claimed to have shot the president. Since the assassination hundreds of books had been written all claiming Lee Harvey Oswald was aided and abetted by somebody or some greater thing, the CIA, the mob, anti-Castro Cubans, even LBJ.

GERALD POSNER, AUTHOR "CASE CLOSED": Over the years we as a country tend to lose faith in our government. We learned about the lies of Vietnam and we have Watergate and Iran Contra. We no longer trust blue ribbon panels like the Warren Commission to tell us the truth.

BROWN (on camera): But, of course, the truth is precisely what the Warren Commission was meant to uncover. Led by Chief Justice Earl Warren the commission produced these 26 volumes, narrative and evidence encapsulated in a single finding. The commission found no evidence of a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy.

GERALD FORD, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The phone rang and one of our children answered it. They said the president's on the line and wants to talk to you. I got on the line. It was President Johnson. He said Gerry, I'm trying to put together a non- partisan commission to investigate the assassination. I want you to be a member.

BROWN (voice-over): At age 90, former President Gerald Ford is the only surviving member of the Warren Commission.

FORD: We held these hearings. They were not open but they were thorough and with the kind of top-notch staff we had I was satisfied that we got all the facts as they developed.

BROWN (on camera): Why, sir, were they not open? What was the thinking?

FORD: I think it was probably the decision of the chief justice. He was more reluctant than I to undertake the responsibility and I think he wanted the least possible publicity.BROWN (voice-over): It was a fateful decision. Most historians and even surviving staff members say today that the Warren Commission hearings should have been in the open.

SEN. ARLEN SPECTER (R), PENNSYLVANIA: I think it would have been wiser to have had open hearings so that there would have been public examination of the work as it went along.

BROWN: Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter was a 33-year-old attorney on the commission staff and remembers a critical dispute at the eleventh hour.

SPECTER: We faced a crucial moment when the chief justice did not want to print the record and the younger members of the staff went to the members of Congress and said we must print this record. It must be open. We printed it all. We printed 26 volumes, 17,000 pages.

BROWN: But, of course, that record wasn't the end of anything and this man, now 76, saw to it that the Warren Commission conclusions would be not only debated but bitterly debated for two generations.

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BROWN: The conspiracy theorists after the break.

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BROWN: It didn't take long, a few days in fact, before the first serious questions were raised about whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and leading the charge was a young New York City attorney who was hired by the widow of Lee Harvey Oswald, Marina, to defend her husband's name before the Warren Commission. His name is Mark Lane and to this day he believe there is much that has not been told.

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MARK LANE, AUTHOR, "RUSH TO JUDGMENT": How could you eliminate the possibility of a conspiracy when the president of the United States has been killed? How do you know that somebody didn't pay this guy?

BROWN: For 40 years now, Mark Lane has been asking that same question. Now 76 and living comfortably in southern New Jersey, his book "Rush to Judgment" is still seen as the Rosetta stone for all those who believe Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone.

LANE: My book came out. The first Gallup poll and Harris poll taken after that showed that two-thirds of the American people were convinced that there was a conspiracy. So nobody really believed the Warren Commission report as soon as it was possible to hear another side.

GERALD FORD, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Let me tell you the two basic points that the commission decided. No. 1, Lee Harvey Oswald committed the assassination. No. 2, the commission found no evidence of a conspiracy, foreign or domestic.

BROWN: Gerald Ford says that that one key phrase, no evidence of a conspiracy, was meant to leave the door slightly ajar, in the event that history would later prove there was someone else involved. (on camera): Was there disagreement on the main points?

FORD: There was no vigorous opposition to the decision that Lee Harvey Oswald committed the assassination. That was unanimous. And in the 20 or 30 years that have passed since, I have seen no new credible evidence that a conspiracy existed.

BROWN (voice-over): But the critics and the conspiracy advocates won't go away. And most of their doubts center around the so-called single-bullet theory, that one bullet, this bullet right here, the bullet the Warren Commission found badly wounded both President Kennedy and Texas Governor John Connally at practically the same instant.

LANE: This is what the bullet did. The bullet hit the president in the back of the neck, leaving behind a wound five inches below in his back. It exited from his throat, leaving behind what every doctor at the Parkland Memorial Hospital said was a clear, neat wound of entrance. It then hung out there in midair for approximately 1.8 seconds, apparently. And then it observed Governor Connally started directly in front, started up again, went into his back, shattered his ribs, made a right turn, shattered his right wrist, and then entered into his left thigh.

SEN. ARLEN SPECTER (R), PENNSYLVANIA: The evidence and the truth has had a hard time catching up with the distortion.

BROWN (voice-over): Senator Specter, then a junior attorney on the commission staff, is the author, the father, of the single-bullet theory. (on camera): The single-bullet theory is pretty much the foundation of the conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, shot from that building, could have fired the shots, etcetera. Can you explain how you arrived at that conclusion?

SPECTER: The bullet entered between two large strap muscles at the back of the president's neck, hit nothing solid, went through the pleural cavity, nicked his thigh coming up. The evidence showed that the bullet entered slightly to the left of Governor Connally's right armpit, grazed a rib, went through his wrist and lodged in his thigh, which is an extraordinary path for a bullet, admittedly. But truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. And it all ties together factually.

BROWN (voice-over): The Warren Commission accepted the single- bullet theory, but it was never told by the CIA about one crucial fact.

WALTER CRONKITE, FORMER CBS NEWS ANCHOR: They never told the Warren Commission that there was a plot -- that they had a plot against the life of Castro in Cuba. And that was a motivation factor that could have led to other investigation, I think, as to whether it was possible that Castro himself or Cuban sympathizers had committed this terrible act.

BROWN: So those who wanted to believe in a conspiracy had reasons galore to do just that.

GERALD POSNER, AUTHOR, "CASE CLOSED": They think that they are on the road to uncovering a vast secret government conspiracy involving dozens of people, from the medical work, to the autopsy doctors, to extra shooters at Dealey Plaza, to ties to Jack Ruby. It goes through the Secret Service. It affects the FBI. It has the CIA involved. Often, Lyndon Johnson is named. You're talking a massive effort.

BROWN: And it did get its day in court here in this city, a city where, as one writer once said, New Orleans is a great stage and everyone wants to be part of the theater.

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BROWN: So, still to come on NEWSNIGHT, we continue our look at the assassination of the president and questions that remain about whether Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

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BROWN: Three years after John F. Kennedy was murdered in Dallas, a young district attorney in New Orleans stunned the nation when he claimed that he knew for a fact who would had helped conspired to kill the president. It was a drama that would keep the country riveted for much of the next year and, in the process, stoke the fires of a conspiracy fire so high, they have never really died down.

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BROWN (voice-over): To the people who know her best, New Orleans is a city that reveres food, intrigue and theater, and not necessarily in that order.

ROSEMARY JAMES, FORMER REPORTER: The natives consider everyday life a theater. And those moving on the stage of this theater had darn well be entertaining or they're not going to last long. BROWN: Three years after the Kennedy assassination, there was no bigger player than this man, Jim Garrison, the city's district attorney who shocked his city and the nation by claiming he knew who conspired to kill the president.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JIM GARRISON, NEW ORLEANS DISTRICT ATTORNEY: I have no doubts whatsoever about the case. I said this some time ago, and I meant it.

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BROWN: Acting on his own authority, Garrison arrested a 54-year- old New Orleans businessman named Clay Shaw and charged him with conspiring to kill John F. Kennedy.

JAMES: One reason Garrison was, in my opinion, able to continue this farce for as long as he was able to do so is because he was very entertaining. He was very charismatic. He was a tall, big guy, pretty good-looking. And he made his statements without hesitation.

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CLAY SHAW, BUSINESSMAN: I am completely innocent of any such charges. I have not conspired with anyone at any time or any place to murder our late and esteemed President John F. Kennedy or any other individual.

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BROWN: Lee Harvey Oswald did have some New Orleans connections. He was born and spent his youth there in a hardscrabble downtown neighborhood. And later, not long before the assassination, he was arrested here, handing out pro-Castro leaflets at a street corner. But try as he might, Jim Garrison couldn't prove anything else. His entire case, historians say, was built on a series of lies.

JAMES: We called it a theory du jour period. Every day, there was a new theory. And Garrison would always have a press conference. And he would always go into great, embroidered details about why this was the correct theory. And -- but a week later, he'd have another one.

BROWN: A jury took but 45 minutes to acquit Clay Shaw. But 22 years later, filmmaker Oliver Stone brazenly cast Garrison as Chief Justice Earl Warren in the movie JFK, a film that portrayed Garrison's claims as cinematic gospel.

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GARRISON: ... has presented absolutely nothing publicly which would contradict our findings.

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POSNER: Oliver Stone's "JFK" is a fine film, but a terrible piece of history. But, unfortunately, a whole generation not even alive at the time that Kennedy was killed know their Kennedy history from that film. So you're guaranteed a new generation has the facts completely upside down.

BROWN (on camera): The key to the mystery for both sides, those who believe Oswald acted alone and those who cannot believe that, the key is the Zapruder film, the only color-film record of the assassination, certainly the most analyzed piece of film in the nation's history, frame by frame, 18 frames to the second. Here it is at regular speed. It lasts just 26 seconds.

DOUGLAS BRINKLEY, PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIAN: It's that singular moment, like Pearl Harbor and 9/11, where you remembered where you were at the moment. And it makes this a participatory event. People somehow feel that they caught it, that they saw it on the news, that I witnessed it.

BROWN (voice-over): In 1978, 15 years after the assassination, many members of Congress were told and many believed that there was a fourth gunshot that day in Dallas. An audiotape recorded from a motorcycle policeman's radio convinced them that a conspiracy against the president was possible. Many eyewitnesses told Congress they heard several shots as well.

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GARRISON: What you just heard were the sounds picked up at this microphone of shots fired from here, the first two, one shot then fired from here, followed half-a-second later by one shot from there.

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BROWN: But any police officer will tell you that eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable. And in the 40 years since the assassination, science and technology have helped convince many experts that Oswald in fact did act alone.

POSNER: We can determine the time on the film that the two men were hit, in large part because of following a flap of John Connally's lapel at the moment that he is hit in the car. We know when the two were struck by a bullet. You can place them in a three-dimensional sense of where they were at that moment, the exactly position of the two of them.And you can then ask a computer a question, based upon the wounds that they suffered, is it possible for one bullet to have done the damage to those two men? And, as a matter of fact, it's a straight- line shot. Now, you say, great theory, great theory, but how do we know it's true? And that's because scientists have now recreated this experiment all day long.

BROWN: Many historians believe it marked an end to an age of American innocence and, no matter what people believe about who did it, the beginning of the age of cynicism.

BRINKLEY: We lost a part of ourselves and we lost a part of our innocence. And we were followed by two presidents who did nothing but lie to us constantly, Lyndon Johnson over Vietnam and Nixon on Vietnam/politics, Watergate. And a lot of people look back and say, God, it all changed when that bullet hit the president in Dallas. We lost something as a country. And that's jarring. And it's like 9/11. When that happens, you don't know what it means fully, but you know that the world will never be the same again.

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BROWN: Forty years ago on Saturday. Tomorrow, on the program, a long and, in many ways, delightful conversation with Walter Cronkite. Mr. Cronkite was, as we say, in the chair, announced to the nation what had happened in Dallas. His memory of that day, those days, the changes in the country and the business are worth joining us for tomorrow. We hope you will.Ahead on NEWSNIGHT, some the other things that made news today.

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BROWN: More stories than time to tell them tonight. Here's a quick look at a few more. People evacuated the White House today. Air Force jets scrambled in response to what seemed to be an intrusion into restricted airspace nearby. As it happened, the alarm was a false alarm triggered by what looked on the radar like a plane coming within five miles of the White House. In fact, authorities say, it might have been a flock of birds or even some kind of atmospheric disturbance. Said a spokesman from NORAD, "It is one of those electronic gremlins that pops up from time to time."

Legendary record producer Phil Spector has been charged with murder, pleaded not guilty. The judge set another hearing date for January, at which time yet another date will be chosen for a hearing that will be determined whether there's enough evidence to try him. Are you following all of this? The wheels of justice turn slowly in California. Mr. Spector has been free on $1 million bail since February, when the body of a young woman was found at his mansion. She died of a gunshot wound. And in perhaps a sign of harmonic convergence today, Mr. Spector is represented by former O.J. Simpson attorney Robert Shapiro.

Jurors tomorrow begin deliberating life or death for convicted sniper, John Muhammad. Today, they watched a home video of Mr. Muhammad with his kids. His lawyers, you might imagine, want to do whatever they can to soften the image of their client, who may have an image to some as a monster. Those are a few stories that made news around the country today.

And if the old voice holds out, here are some that made news around the world, beginning in Gaza City, where the Palestinian prime minister held talks with representatives of Hamas and the Islamic Jihad, the hope being to bring about an end to attacks on Israel. Not taking part and promising not to go along is the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, which says it will reject any agreement that calls for a truce.

Seoul, South Korea: the American envoy James Kelly meeting with HIS South Korean counterpart today trying to coordinate a policy in advance of another rounds of talks with North Korea on the North Korea nuclear crisis, part of the discussion today centering on what kind of security assurances, if any, to offer the North Koreans in exchange for their willingness to stop their nuclear weapons program.

And some kind of agreement seems near on a U.N. resolution condemning Iran for hiding its nuclear program from the world. Talks have been going on, drafts drafted to narrow the differences between American diplomats, who want tougher language, and the European community, which wants a somewhat gentler tone. We made it. It was close. We'll check morning papers after the break.

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BROWN: Time to check morning papers from around the country. And we got a lot of them today. I don't know. The printer worked pretty well, I guess.

We'll start with "The Sun" in San Bernardino County, California. What do you think they led with? Sure they did. "Bound, Booked and Bailed Out. Jackson Plans Battle in Molestation Case." That's their lead. The little peace sign picture, you'll see that in a lot of newspapers. And the mug shot, which you'll see in all of the rest, I guarantee you. And Turkey, the Turkish bombing relegated to the sidebar. There will a be lot of people fussing about that, I am sure."

Miami Herald" has nothing but good stuff on the front page. "Leaders Reach a Deal Amid Street Standoff." This is the rioting we told you about earlier on the national trade agreement. Over here, "Governor Suspends Elections Chief, Oliphant, Citing Gross Ignorance" -- it's not enough to just be dumb. This is gross ignorance" -- "And Carelessness. Governor Jeb Bush Suspends the Broward County Supervisor of Elections." So there's that mess.

And the, of course, down in the corner, you have got your Michael Jackson story. "Pop Star Surrenders and is Released on Bail."

"The Philadelphia Inquirer" leads with the bombing. "British Sites Bombed in Turkey, Killing 27." But Michael Jackson is right over there on the side. "Jackson Booked, Posts Bail." And like a number of papers hopefully we'll get to tonight, they put a Kennedy story on the front page. "A New Generation Feels Little Link to JFK." I noticed that at home, actually. But that's understandable. She wasn't born yet.

"The Mi" -- "The Miami Herald" -- no, "The Boston Herald." "Pack Of Lies. House Report Helped HUB Mobsters Destroy Lives." "FBI Helped HUB Mobsters Destroy Lives." "Just Book Him" is their headline on the Michael Jackson story. The Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department, that's the booking photo. And everything you want to know about Michael Jackson -- well, perhaps not everything -- or perhaps more than you know what to know is on that front page.

How are we doing on time?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Uh, 1:10.

BROWN: Oh, my goodness, plenty.

"The Richmond Times-Dispatch" leads with Istanbul. A big story on the front page on Richmond remembering where you were when you heard about JFK. I'll bet that's one of the most asked questions of all time: Where were you when you heard the news? Coming out of study hall is the answer for me. "Jackson Returns to Get Booked," pretty straightforward headline. And down at the bottom, here's what I found interesting here. I might have reversed this stuff, but I don't run that paper and they're smarter than I am. "Sniper Case Goes to the Jury." I think that would be -- well, enough said, right? They'll stop sending the paper. We don't want them to do that.

"The Washington Times" leads with Istanbul. "Bold Attack Kills 27 in Turkey." Very small on Michael Jackson there.

OK, quickly, because I'm running out of time, two things from "The Chicago Sun-Times." Here's the headline. "Weather World Wizard Walks. Sun-Times Bids Fond Farewell to News Editor John Dodge." That is not actually the paper. But John is the guy that writes the weather word every day. And he's been a great friend to the program. And we appreciate it. And he's moving on to a television show. Say it ain't so.

"A warm farewell" is the weather.

And "a warm farewell" is the weather in the real "Sun-Times," too. "

Terror Blasts Kills 27 at British Consulate in Turkey." That's "The Chicago Sun-Times."John, we wish you nothing but good fortune in your foray into television. You'll need all the help.We'll take a break and wrap up the day in a moment.

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BROWN: A quick update of our top story: Michael Jackson back in Las Vegas, mobbed there for a moment during a slow-speed trip in a Ford Motor Company truck. We feel 10 years younger just saying that. He's back in Vegas, after turning himself in to authorities in Santa Barbara, booked on sex molestation charges, released on $3 million bail. More to come, you can be certain. And tomorrow night on this program, our continuing look back at the Kennedy assassination, this time through the eyes of CBS news anchor Walter Cronkite, who reported the events that day. We'll see you tomorrow, I hope. Join us, please. "LOU DOBBS TONIGHT" is next.

Good night for all of us at NEWSNIGHT.

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AARON BROWN, CNN ANCHOR, NEWSNIGHT: Good evening, again, everyone. There are important stories and irresistible ones and you can be absolutely certain this is one of them.


Michael Jackson, for better or worse, guilty or innocence, has been part of the landscape in one way or another for nearly 40 years. He's been famous almost his entire life, infamous for some of it. Front page news either way. So irresistible, yes. But important? We remember the day Elvis died and the "CBS Evening News" led with the signing of the Panama Canal Treaty instead. We won't make that mistake tonight. Michael Jackson leads the program and "The Whip." The Whip begins in Santa Barbara , California, not far from Mr. Jackson's Neverland Ranch. CNN's Frank Buckley has been there all day. Frank, start us with the headline.

FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, authorities here today confirmed that Michael Jackson is wanted on an arrest warrant that alleges multiple counts of child molestation. Jackson has agreed to turn himself in. He is also vowing to fight the charges to prove his innocence. Aaron. BROWN: Frank, thank you. Next to New York and an investigation of Rush Limbaugh and his dealings with the bank. CNN's Deborah Feyerick with that. Deb, a headline.

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, new denials from the radio chat host, not about painkillers this time, but about money laundering.

BROWN: Thank you very much. Now to Boston and the tricky job of legislating the issue of gay marriage, or something close to it, while under a court order. Our Boston Bureau Chief Dan Lothian, has the watch again. So, Dan, headline from you tonight.

DAN LOTHIAN, CNN BOSTON BUREAU CHIEF: Aaron, yesterday's ruling is now coming under heavy attack. Of course, that's not a big surprise. Opponents making a lot of phone calls to lawyers and lawmakers as they try to stop same-sex marriage from taking place in this state.

BROWN: Thank you very much. Finally, a port of call that hasn't been called on in decades. CNN's Mike Chinoy on the videophone now with the U.S. Navy in Vietnam. Mike, a headline.

MIKE CHINOY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, for the first time since the end of the Vietnam War, the U.S. Navy is making a port call here in Vietnam. It's an important symbol of reconciliation. As the sailors went off on liberty in what used to be Saigon, folks here seemed very pleased to welcome them back.Aaron.

BROWN: Mike, thank you. We'll get back to you and the rest shortly. Also tonight, the president defends his stand on Iraq in a visit to Great Britain. Later we get a report on the ground from Baghdad, from John Burns, of "The New York Times," who says in some ways things are not so bad as you may think. We continue our look at the assassination of President Kennedy with a look at how it ended an era of optimism in the country. As always, we end the evening with a check of your papers for tomorrow morning and the rooster that thankfully does not show up on your front doorstep. All that and more in the hour ahead. We begin with Michael Jackson, whose latest single, from his newest album, is entitled "One More Chance." He was supposed to perform it a week from today on a network TV special, but as you might imagine the special has been postponed indefinitely. The singer faces serious charges and plans for a comeback have been set aside in favor of plans for his surrender. CNN's Frank Buckley begins our coverage.

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FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Santa Barbara authorities said they are actively pursuing an arrest warrant against entertainer Michael Jackson.

JIM ANDERSON, SHERIFF, SANTA BARBARA: An arrest warrant for Mr. Jackson has been issued on multiple counts of child molestation.

BUCKLEY: Sheriff Jim Anderson and District Attorney Thomas Sneddon would not disclose any details including the age or gender of the alleged child victim. Jackson denied any wrongdoing through a spokesman, who said, "The outrageous allegations against Michael Jackson are false. Michael would never harm a child in anyway. These scurrilous and totally unfounded allegations will be proven false in a courtroom.

"The announcement came a day after a team of more than 60 investigators descended on Jackson's Neverland Ranch to serve a search warrant. Two additional warrants were served in Los Angeles. Jackson was not at any of the locations. He was working on a music video in Las Vegas. Authorities did not pursue him, allowing him instead to turn himself in.

ANDERSON: Mr. Jackson's been given an opportunity to surrender himself to the custody of the Santa Barbara sheriff's department within a specified period of time.

BUCKLEY: Jackson was accused in 1993 of sexually molesting a 13- year-old boy. He was not charged with a crime. The alleged victim refused to testify. Jackson consistently maintained his innocence.

MICHAEL JACKSON: I am totally innocent of any wrongdoing and I know these terrible allegations will all be proven false.

BUCKLEY: A financial settlement was reached in that case, but Santa Barbara authorities say this case will be different.

THOMAS SNEDDON, SANTA BARBARA DISTRICT ATTORNEY: There is no civil case filed, and there is no anticipation that there will be a civil case filed in this particular case.

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BUCKLEY: And a familiar legal name will be representing Michael Jackson, at least leading the defense team. Mark Geragos, who is currently representing Scott Peterson in the Laci Peterson preliminary hearing in Modesto has agreed to be the lead on the defense team for Michael Jackson. Meanwhile, Aaron, tonight we continue to wait for Michael Jackson to turn himself in; a knowledgeable source telling us that that will happen sometime tomorrow.

BROWN: Frank, let me try to do a bunch of really quick ones. Help me out here. Do we know where Mr. Jackson is tonight?

BUCKLEY: We -- the latest we have is we believe he's still in Las Vegas.

BROWN: OK. Number two, do we know anything about the young man whose allegations are at the center of this? How he came in contact with Mr. Jackson, anything like that at all?

BUCKLEY: A lot of speculation. No need to go there, because we don't know for sure. We don't even know, at least officially, if it's a boy or a girl. All we know is that according to the charging -- the penal code violation, that it's a child under the age of 14 years of age.

BROWN: Do we know anything about what police were looking for or found in their long search of the property over the last day?

BUCKLEY: We can assume that they were looking for things like photos. There are many photos on the grounds. Other documents that would corroborate what the child has said, what the victim has said. We know that generally that's what they're looking for. We also know that they videotaped everything on the Neverland premises. But beyond that, we don't have any specifics yet and we're told that the affidavit that was in support of the search and arrest warrants will be sealed for at least 45 days.

BROWN: And finally, if in fact he is guilty and is convicted on these counts, what is he looking at?

BUCKLEY: Well, it's three to eight years, depending on the conviction, per count. We don't know how many counts. And it's up to the judge. And, again, this is looking way forward, but it would be up to the judge to sentence. And he could do those consecutively. So theoretically, each count, a certain number of years and run them all together.

BROWN: Frank, nice job tonight. Thank you very much. Frank Buckley out of Santa Barbara, California, tonight. We'll have more on the Michael Jackson case in the next segment of the program. Other matters first. In this case, Rush Limbaugh. When he entered rehab a little more than five weeks ago it was understood he still faced a number of questions and potentially a lot of legal complications regarding his drug purchases. He was addicted to painkillers. Today he addressed one of them stemming from questionable withdrawals from a bank in New York. Reporting the story for us, CNN's Deborah Feyerick.

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DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Rush Limbaugh, back on the air and back on the defensive.

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I was not laundering money. I was withdrawing money, for crying out loud.

FEYERICK: Limbaugh recently got out of drug rehab after admitting he was addicted to painkillers. Police are investigating claims by Limbaugh's former housekeeper that she illegally sold Limbaugh thousands of prescription painkillers. He has denied doing anything illegal. Now the question raised by news stories, did Limbaugh violate Florida money laundering laws? That's what the radio chat host was denying Wednesday, telling listeners his bank told him to take out sums under $10,000, so the bank wouldn't have to report them to the government.

LIMBAUGH: The bank apparently told many other of their clients that their cash withdrawals should be in amounts less than $10,000.

FEYERICK: Limbaugh says a bank representative came to his office four or five times, each time bringing him more than $9,000. The bank, U.S. Trust, tells CNN it never talks about its clients. Two years ago, U.S. Trust paid state and federal regulators a $10 million fine for allegedly violating rules designed to stop money laundering and fraud. U.S. Trust admitted no wrongdoing. Money laundering experts say Limbaugh still could be in jeopardy.

CHARLES INTRIAGO, MONEY LAUNDERING EXPERT: It doesn't matter what the purpose of the withdrawals was. What matters under the criminal law that I'm referring to, the structuring law, is that he structured the transaction to avoid or evade the filing of a required federal reporting form.

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FEYERICK (on camera): Limbaugh told his audience he took out about $300,000 over five years, mostly to remodel his Palm Beach home. His lawyers said he has not committed any money laundering offense. Aaron.

BROWN: This is -- are all the law enforcement sources on this pretty tight lipped right now?

FEYERICK: Everybody is very tight lipped about what's going on right now.

BROWN: All right. Let's leave it there. Deborah Feyerick, thank you on the Limbaugh story. Now, a question of life or death for convicted sniper John Muhammad. The prosecution rested today in the penalty phase of his trial. The defense gets under way tomorrow with chilling and potentially damaging testimony from Muhammad's ex-wife, still fresh in the ears and on the minds of jurors. Reporting the story, CNN's Jeanne Meserve.

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JEANNE MESERVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: John Muhammad's ex-wife Mildred, a central but until now mysterious figure in the sniper story, testified that John Muhammad repeatedly threatened her after the break-up of their marriage, saying to her at one point, "Just know this, you have become my enemy, and as my enemy, I will kill you." In the courtroom, deputies shielded her whenever Muhammad was near. Prosecutors theorized the snipers shootings were part of an elaborate scheme to kill Mildred and regain custody of their three children. Jurors haven't been allowed to hear that theory, but 10- year-old Talibah (ph) Muhammad is apparently aware. According to Mildred, when Talibah heard her father had been found guilty, she said, "Mom, I know if dad gets out that means he's going to kill you, and I don't want to live the rest of my life without my mommy. Out of the presence of the jury, she quoted 13-year-old John Jr. as saying, "If dad takes you out, then I'm going to have to take him out."Mildred carried to Virginia Beach letters for John Muhammad from each of the children. All wrote that they loved him and always would. And from Talibah, "I miss you so much, and can I ask you some questions? One, why did you do all those shootings?

"Mary Merez (ph), a former girlfriend of Muhammad, testified for the defense, describing Muhammad as a generous man. She cried as she said, I feel that his life will always have value. He's a person that has so much to give. (on camera): Jurors had to pass around a tissue box after the highly emotional victim impact testimony of friends and family of Dean Meyers. They described him as a generous man, who always thought of others before himself until a single gunshot wound to the head left him dead. Jeanne Meserve, CNN, Virginia Beach, Virginia.

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BROWN: The day after the Massachusetts supreme court opened the door to gay marriage in the state, the rough and tumble work of making sense of the ruling is under way. Legislators there now have less than six months to craft a new marriage law, laws that don't discriminate against couples of the same sex. The ruling appears to leave little room for doing anything but, which has done nothing to settle the issue, Just the opposite. Here's CNN's Dan Lothian.

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DAN LOTHIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: As the headlines screamed a historic decision and wedding cliches as gays, lesbians and their supporters reveled in the high court's ruling, the battle to defeat same-sex marriage intensified. Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney leads the way, unwilling to call it a done deal.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think there may be civil unions of some kind, some definition being crafted by the legislature on an interim basis, but I don't think you'll see traditional marriage.

LOTHIAN: At the Massachusetts Family Institute President Ron Cruz has been working the phones to help fuel opposition to what he calls a radical decision.

RON CREWS, MASSACHUSETTS FAMILY INST.: I've been talking to attorneys to find out if there are any legal remedies, any's to take to either delay the implementation of this decision, any motions we can file.

LOTHIAN: It isn't clear what the state legislature, which has 180 days to act on the ruling, can or will do in the short term. But anything to block this landmark decision, say supporters, is not only wishful thinking, but wrong.

JARRETT BARRIOS (D), MASS. STATE SENATOR: The SJC said that the constitution requires that nobody be discriminated against. LOTHIAN: GLAD, the Gay and Lesbian Organization, which won the lawsuit on behalf of seven same-sex couples, has been meeting behind closed doors to keep their meeting from being derailed.

MARY BONAUTO, PLAINTIFF'S LAWYER: It's fine to talk about something, but it's late, late to be talking about civil unions. We're now on the frontier of marriage, the same marriage everyone else has.

LOTHIAN: Public reaction remains mixed, in a state where 50 percent support same-sex marriage and 44 percent oppose it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm surprised it happened in Massachusetts.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think everyone should be afforded the same civil protections as everyone else.

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LOTHAIN: So what happens if opponents succeed in either delaying or blocking same-sex marriage in this state? Well, GLAD says it is paying attention and trying to figure out what move they will make, and it's ready to foil those moves, even if it means going back to court -- Daryn.

BROWN: Is the legislature in session?

LOTHAIN: They are. And what they say at this point is that simply they really doesn't know. There seems to be so much confusion in this case. They say there was a lot of vague statements made in that ruling yesterday, and they simply don't know what their next move will be.

BROWN: Dan, thank you very much. Dan Lothian, our Boston bureau chief.

Ahead on NEWSNIGHT, a lot more on the Michael Jackson case. We'll be joined by defense lawyer Al DeBlanc and Peter Castro of "People" magazine. Later, a strange sight indeed, American soldiers on liberty in a city once known as Saigon, the first time since the end of the Vietnam War. We'll have a report from New York.

This is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: More now on the Michael Jackson story. We're joined tonight by Peter Castro, who had a late night of it last night for sure. He's with "People" magazine, and the magazine held the press to get the story in, and the developments played out yesterday in Neverland. We're also joined from Los Angeles by defense attorney Al DeBlanc. Good to see you both. Peter, let me start with you. How big a deal is this?

PETER CASTRO, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: This is huge. This is the closest Michael Jackson has ever come to getting arrested. And of course this is what people expected ten years ago, and he got off with a reported $25 million payoff.

BROWN: It's obviously a big deal to Michael Jackson. How big a deal is it to the readers of "People," to people around the world. Maybe the question is, how big a deal is Michael Jackson?

CASTRO: He's still a big deal. I think there is a certain element of finally, of a payoff, because I think a lot of people, our readers included, many of them are outraged that there were these allegations and, you know, that he wasn't really prosecuted the way a normal person might have been.

BROWN: He wasn't prosecuted at all.

CASTRO: Or prosecuted at all, exactly, and that his money did the talking. So I think there's sort of a sense of justice finally, if in fact this plays out to its end.

BROWN: And if in fact if he's guilty. To Mr. LeBlanc -- a couple of things occurred to me as peter was talking. One, if you're a defense attorney, you've gotten an interesting set of problems here it seems to me. You've got this allegation that everyone knows about, whether jurors are supposed to think about it or not. You have a client who people at best will consider a little bit odd, maybe worse than that. Where do you begin?

AL DEBLANC, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTY.: Well, you begin by saying that he's presumed innocent even though he has a strange background and had accusations in this area. You really have to look at the case and you have to put all these others out of your mind and just examine this. And, remember, Michael Jackson is a target defendant because he obviously makes a lot of money. It's well known that he's settled an accusation without it even being proven for somewhere around $20 million. So that's going to be the beginning. The next is going to be, what evidence can they marshal together? I know that a lot of officers descended upon his property, looking probably for trace hair, fiber, trace evidence, or what have you, in his house, near his bed, in his bed. He has already admitted that he allows children to come to his home. He has them in the bed, and he shares his bed with them. This is all a part of Michael Jackson's failure to have a real childhood. So the prosecution would have to begin to show that in no way should this kid have ever been in his bed, because if the kid had any reason to be there with him with parental consent, then where is the evidence at this point? Now, I agree, it is a very serious case and the sentence is far more than some people have talked about. Because I've been practicing for 28 years. Under California law, if the victim minor in a child molestation case is under 14 years of age, there's a special enhancement that adds a lot of years. And if the defendant is 10 years older than the victim, there is another enhancement that adds even more years, and there is no limit on the stacking for each act committed in one occasion.

BROWN: Peter, at the risk of showing both age and ignorance here, in musical terms, is he particularly relevant these days?

CASTRO: Not really. He hasn't been relevant for a long time. But what was especially harmful to him was the 1993 allegations. I mean, after that, there was such a harsh taint on him that a lot of the -- he drove a lot of people away in droves.

BROWN: And I assume they're picking up people now on the roadside with these new allegations.

CASTRO: Well, yes, I don't think he can quite survive this. Even if he is innocent in the long run, I think this is just one too many times.

BROWN: Does he still have a lot of money?

CASTRO: He does. He doesn't have nearly as much as he used to. He is still reportedly worth around $300 million, but a lot of that is tied up in royalties, and you know, He took out a $200 million loan last year. And Neverland is still worth a lot of money. Also -- you've seen the Martin Brashear documentary. He spends in kind of an insane way.

BROWN: Al, the law in California changed after the allegations ten years ago to essentially compel, if I understand this correctly, an alleged victim or to compel them to tell the story, right?

DEBLANC: That is true. However, that doesn't really cure the problem. If -- even though the minor could be compelled to come and testify, he could still take the position that he's not going to prosecute. For example, if you're sitting on a jury and you have the minor get up there and testify and the minor says, well, you know, I'm not really sure, I changed my mind, it really didn't happen the way I first said it happened. That's probably going to be the end of the case in the mind of one or more jurors. So you have to have a victim witness who is cooperating ongoing and sincere about it and not a person who's changed his mind and simply being compelled to go forward by the government.

BROWN: Is this a huge deal out in California tonight?

DEBLANC: I didn't think that anything could eclipse Kobe Bryant, but apparently this one has. Michael Jackson is an international music icon. And so I think the interest is overwhelming. It's been amazing to me how one case -- we get to a case and I say, there can't be anything worse than this that could take this off the air, but here comes another case. Michael Jackson, I believe, is right up front now, and I don't know how long he'll be out there.

BROWN: Al, it's good to see you again. Peter, I'm assume you agree, this is a huge deal.

CASTRO: This is huge. I mean, the idea of Michael Jackson in jail is just too bizarre to be believed.

BROWN: Good to have you with us tonight. Thank you. I know it was a tough night for you tonight. Before we go to break, a few more items from around the country, starting out with eight competing designs for the memorial to the victims of the World Trade Center attack. It's an incredibly important piece of real estate. The eight were chosen from 5,200 entries. A 13 member panel will decide which one is built by the end of the year. A report is out on last summer's blackout, the worst blackout in the country ever, puts a lion's share of blame on First Energy, the Ohio utility, specifically a power plant in Akron, Ohio, where investigators say poor training and computer problems kept workers from fixing line problems that ultimately took down the grid. And in Detroit today, Ford rolled off the assembly line, just like Fords have been rolling off the line every day since 1903. This one, though, was a little different. The Mustang is the 300 millionth vehicle to carry the company's name.

Still to come on NEWSNIGHT, the president defends his policy on Iraq. And then back to the scene of an earlier American war as U.S. warships visit Ho Chi Minh City, the town that used to be Saigon.Around the world, this is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: President Bush walked a fine line in London today. He forcefully defended the war in Iraq but did it in such a way that seemed tailor made to smooth over hurt feelings and gently remind his audience that more unites the two countries than divides them. It is safe to say not everyone was persuaded. There were protesters and tough editorials. And being Britain, a tabloid scoop, as well. The day from our senior White House correspondent, John King.

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JOHN KING, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): At Buckingham Palace, a choreographed show of British pageantry and resolve, a royal welcome designed to showcase the most sturdy of partnerships. But off the palace grounds, a show of another sort. The first wave of mass protests by opponents of the Iraq war. And those who view the relationship between Washington and London, at least at the moment, as anything but special. It was this that the president view confronted in a high stakes speech designed to get critics here and across Europe to think again. Mr. Bush said those who say he ignores international institutions like the United Nations are wrong, but that there are a limit to patience and times when force is necessary.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: It's not enough to meet the dangers of the world with resolutions. We must meet those dangers with resolve.

KING: The president promised to keep U.S. forces in Iraq until it has a stable new government. And, recalling the lessons of two world wars, said he for one would not ignore the threat of terrorism.

BUSH: The evil is in plain sight. The danger only increases with denial.

KING: Mr. Bush tried humor to acknowledge the controversy over his visit, recalling the American who recently spent 40 some days without food in a Plexiglas tube over the River Thames.

BUSH: A few might have been happy to provide similar arrangements for me. I thank Her Majesty, the Queen for interceding.

KING: The security was extraordinary, but one embarrassing breach made front-page news: a tabloid reporter, hired as a Buckingham Palace aide because his references were not properly checked.In Parliament, Prime Minister Blair once again defended his close ties to Mr. Bush but faced skeptical questions from fellow Labour Party members, who suggest Britain gets little in return for its steadfast loyalty.

TONY BLAIR, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: It really is about time we started to realize who our allies are, who our enemies are, stick with the one and fight the other.

KING (on camera): Well aware this visit is causing Prime Minister Blair more than a little political grief, Mr. Bush saluted his friend as a strong partner and as a man of, quote, "backbone when times get tough." John King, CNN, London.

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BROWN: It's another of those odd juxtapositions that happen in this business. As President Bush defends his reasons for the war in Iraq, what may in some ways may be the end of the end of the war in Vietnam. A U.S. Warship arrived in what used to be known as Saigon today, the first visit there of this kind since the end of the Vietnam War. The USS Vandergrift arrived in what is now Ho Chi Minh City with the eager cooperation of the communist Vietnamese government. And once there, American sailors did what their predecessors did a generation ago, more or less. Here is CNN's Mike Chinoy.

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MIKE CHINOY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): For an entire generation of American soldiers, a night in Saigon meant booze, girls and escape from the battlefield. The contrast with the sailors making the first U.S. Navy port call since the end of the Vietnam War couldn't be greater. (on camera) During the war, this street was packed with girlie bars and massage parlors and sleazy clubs. Most of that was long ago cleaned up. The Ho Chi Minh City of today is very different from the Saigon of old. (voice-over) Such are the political sensitivities of this visit that the men of the USS Vandergrift were given strict instructions to behave and stay out of trouble. Still, as we discovered, sailors will be sailors. A cold beer and a pretty waitress, a welcome change from weeks at sea. For Chris Hunt, whose father fought with the Marines in Vietnam and never talked about the war afterwards, being here had special meaning.

PETTY OFFICER CHRIS HUNT, U.S. NAVY: We're very proud and honored to be the ones who represent the entire Navy and the entire country and government, for that matter, to come over here and show that fences can be mended.

CHINOY: All of these sailors were born after the war. Many were uncertain what kind of reception they'd get. All were pleasantly surprised.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is like one of the greatest ports I've ever been to.

CHINOY (on camera): How do you find the people here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everyone I've talked to has been really friendly. I really honestly didn't expect it, but it's also now really -- well, friendly.

CHINOY (voice-over): Sonar operator Chris Hefferton (ph) ended up having coffee with two Vietnamese: one a local, the other Larry Phan (ph), a onetime refugee who lives in California and comes back now regularly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They see the American Navy as the enemy, like before, but now they see them like a friend.

CHINOY: And the war seems a long way off.

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CHINOY: Well, it's the morning after now. And for the past hour or so, members of the Vietnamese military have been getting guided tours of the USS Vandergrift behind me, while the sailors went off to dig the foundation for a school and to bring toys to a school for the kids at an orphanage -- Aaron.

BROWN: Today -- We look at them like -- they look so young, honestly. Do they have any sense of the history of this moment?

CHINOY: Some of them do. But most of them admit that, for them, the Vietnam War is like World War II. It's really ancient history. It's not something they've grown up with. Some of them confess to a certain degree of unease and uncertainty about how people will look at them. But most of them, it's really from a very long time ago. They're just eager and excited and curious. And they know -- they feel they're doing something important by being here.

BROWN: Mike, it's a fascinating little moment. Thank you. Mike Chinoy in Ho Chi Minh City.

Still to come on NEWSNIGHT, just how bad is it in Baghdad or how good is it in Baghdad? A little of both, it turns out. A firsthand account from one of the truly great foreign correspondents, John Burns of "The New York Times," after the break.

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BROWN: And much more NEWSNIGHT ahead, including morning papers. Of course some fascinating ones there. And more in our series on the assassination of John F. Kennedy. A break first. This is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: Iraq now and a couple of developments there to report. The military announcing a $10 million reward today for information leading to the capture of Izzat Ibrahim. Mr. Ibrahim, you may remember, was part of Saddam's inner circle and is now suspected of leading elements of the insurgency. And in the fight against it today, saw jets from the USS Enterprise taking part in bombing raids on Iraqi targets. And once again homes were leveled, and once again, people complained. And questions again arose about whether you can fight a counterinsurgency from 30,000 feet. There are larger questions, too, about the state of play in the country and the state of mind of ordinary Iraqis. John Burns has been filing some wonderful reports on that score in the pages of "The New York Times." We are always pleased to see him, and he joins us from Baghdad. John, welcome again. As you have wandered around the country over the last few weeks, what has surprised you most?

JOHN BURNS, "NEW YORK TIMES" REPORTER: Well, I was gone for four or five months. So I was returning to a different Iraq than the one I left. I left an Iraq that had been recently freed of Saddam Hussein. The statue of Saddam in the square behind me here had been toppled. I stayed for about a month after that. And I returned to find, for example, that this hotel is now a besieged hotel, that we're surrounded by a -- two ribbons -- two ribbon walls of 20-foot-high concrete, that there is considerable apprehension here, as wherever Americans, Westerners gather, particularly of course American troops, of truck bombings, ambushes and so forth. So it's dispiriting. It's a major change, and weighing up what is good news and what is bad news here is not at all easy.

BROWN: Because there is some of both, or it's just so ambiguous? BURNS: Well, there definitely is some of both. And it's very difficult to weight this. For example, we have the objective measure of attacks on the United States armed forces, or coalition forces, which have increased from five or six a day five or six months ago to as many as 50 a day now. Clearly, there's the bad news. But going out amongst Iraqis, there is some good news still to be found, amongst which is that virtually everybody I've spoken to does not want the United States forces to withdraw precipitously, because there's a widespread recognition that that would lead to chaos and civil war, two words -- or three words that you hear here very often.

BROWN: There is this ongoing discussion at the Pentagon and in Iraq about who the insurgents are, whether they're Iraqis, whether they're foreign fighters. Do you have a feel one way or another on that?

BURNS: Well, the announcement that you've just mentioned, the $10 million reward for Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, who was truly one of the most unpleasant people in this government, if not the single most unpleasant man after Saddam Hussein, a ginger haired, rake thin, six foot, 6'2" tall enforcer and murderer. I think it's a well-established fact from the human rights reports in the history of this place, they've identified him now as being one of, if not the most probable leader of these attacks. Clearly, there is a Saddamist -- a strong Saddamist element in this. And we know from my experience and the experience of others here who those people likely are. This city was absolutely filled with Saddam Fedayeen, paramilitary fighters for Saddam, who simply melted away as American forces arrived here. We know that there were large arms caches out in the country. We know that Saddam and his sons loaded up two flatbeds with American dollars in cash, $1 billion, $2 billion. I think it's not quite sure. But an enormous amount of money. And in a country with an unemployment rate of 50 percent, 60 percent, real unemployment rate, that kind of money will buy you a lot of action. I've heard Iraqis say that if you offered $500 to many Iraqis to go fire an RPG at an American tank, you know, you'd find some takers. Not many, perhaps, but you'd find enough. And then there are, of course, the Jihadi elements, and the military tell us that there may be 200 foreign fighters on a rotating basis here. And there certainly seems to be in their tactics a kind of Jihadi elements. The suicide bombings is what I'm talking about.

BROWN: To cover a quick other thing. Is it your view that -- well, what is your view on what will ultimately lead to success from the American perspective? Is there a critical moment coming, or is every day critical in some respects?

BURNS: Well, I hear so much from Iraqis about the need for jobs that it seems to me that the $20 billion that the Congress recently voted and another however much it was -- I forget now, but in the region of $10 billion to $13 billion from coalition partners, spent over here over the next 18 months to two years, that could make a difference. That could engender, create employment. People here expected employment. They're not seeing it. As a matter of fact, they're seeing the opposite. There are a lot of people out of work. That could make a difference. I think that the military -- interesting a report on Vietnam and the return of the Navy ship to Vietnam, because I think that this generation of military leaders, American military leaders, have really gone to school on that experience. And there is a really major hearts and minds efforts going on to rebuild schools, to rebuild hospitals. Your listeners will know all about that. And I think that that could make a difference. And of course military operations, to go after these people. The military says there are 5,000 people in the armed resistance here, against an army of 130,000 Americans, another 25,000 or 30,000 coalition troops. So the odds in military terms of course are heavily on the coalition forces. How effective can they be? How effective is it dropping one-ton bombs? Difficult to say.

BROWN: John, it is very good to see you. As I told you before, your story on -- the piece you filed on Sunday was a fabulous piece of reading in the pages of "The Times." We appreciate the time today. Thank you.

John Burns of "The New York Times."

Ahead on NEWSNIGHT, the day things changed in the country. How the Kennedy assassination seemed to so many people to change everything. A break first. This is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: All this week, as many of you know, we have been looking at the Kennedy assassination. Tomorrow we'll devote nearly half the program to an in-depth look at what happened at Dealey Plaza 40 years ago on Saturday. And on Friday, an extended and fascinating conversation with Walter Cronkite, who spent that day and many of those that followed bringing us the news of what happened in the country. Tonight, however, a preview of sorts from Jeff Greenfield on how that one moment almost 40 years ago now changed everything.

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JEFF GREENFIELD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Of course the country was traumatized by the Kennedy assassination. The murder of a young president in broad daylight was shocking enough. The images transmitted almost instantly through the increasingly pervasive medium of television held the country mesmerized for days. But there's another, much less recognized part of the story here. (on camera) The assassination came at a time when America was in the grip of widespread optimism. No matter where you looked in the fall of 1963, things were looking up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By using efficient machinery...(voice-over) As it happened, John Kennedy's election coincided with the start of the longest peacetime expansion of the economy in American history. It was growing at nearly four percent a year. Inflation was averaging barely two percent and unemployment was dropping steadily. And...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our wants will never end.

GREENFIELD: ... from suburban homes to color televisions to automobiles, a level of comfort almost unimaginable to children of the Depression and World War II had become a reasonable middle class expectation. And a Kennedy tax cut plan was working its way through the Congress. No wonder 77 percent of Americans said they were satisfied with their standard of living.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Crisis...

GREENFIELD: But there were bigger reasons for optimism. A year earlier, with the Cuban missile crisis, the world had come very close to nuclear war. But in the summer of 1963, Kennedy announced an agreement on a limited nuclear test ban treaty with the Soviet Union.

JOHN F. KENNEDY, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Yesterday, a shaft of light shot into the darkness.

GREENFIELD: The Senate ratified that treaty in September. The president signed it a month later. And the prospects for a thaw in the Cold War were real. Yes, there was trouble stirring far away in South Vietnam. A coup had violently removed that nation's president; 15,000 American advisers were there...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... to teach Vietnamese fighting forces how to...

GREENFIELD: ... but no hints of the wider war that was to come. On the home front, there was progress on the most vexing of national dilemmas: civil rights. On August 28, 1963, 250,000 Americans had gathered peacefully in Washington to hear Martin Luther King talk of his dream. And the most far-reaching civil rights bill in history was before the Congress. The first of the riots that would plague dozens of American cities was almost a year away. (on camera) The point is not that John Kennedy was responsible for this wave of optimism, or that he would necessarily would have avoided the ills that followed. But the fact that things seemed to be going so well on so many fronts and seemed to turn so wrong just a year or two later is yet another reason why the assassination marks a turning point in American history. Jeff Greenfield, CNN, New York.

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BROWN: And, again, tomorrow, almost half the program on what happened at Dealey Plaza 40 years ago. Morning papers are next.

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BROWN: Okie dokie, time to check morning papers from around the country. And I've got to tell you, this is kind of a one story day, but the way newspapers headline it tells you something about each paper, I think."The Boston Herald," the tabloid up in Boston, "Face the Music" is the headline. It's an interesting shot they chose, isn't it? "Police say icon Jackson" -- I'm not sure about that -- "molested a 12-year-old boy."That's the way they headline the story.

"The Daily Variety," which the "Daily Variety" has its own readership, of course. It's an industry paper. Love this one. "TV's Wacko Over Jacko." That's the headline in "Daily Variety."

"Just in time for the tail end of the November sweeps, the Michael Jackson show is once again ready for prime time."

"The Cincinnati Inquirer," Cincinnati kind of a staid and comfortable middle class town, right? Down at the bottom is where they play the story, below the other important things of the day. "Singer Jackson wanted on molestation charges." Couldn't be a more straight headline than that.

They put the president and the queen in the center of the paper there, the queen of England. Well, where else, right? Come on, Aaron.

"Philadelphia Inquirer": "Warrant is issued for Jackson; child molestation alleged. A spokesman calls case 'scurrilous.'' Also on the front page, good story, "Pennsylvania tests show a racial divide. New data reveal that blacks and Latinos score well below whites and Asians in reading and math." A vexing problem for the country, that.How are we doing on time, David?One oh three. Moving a little quickly tonight, aren't you, Aaron?

"San Antonio Express-News": again, pretty straight. "Molestation case hits Jackson. California officials issue an arrest warrant for the singer. Bail likely will be set at $3 million." Over here in the box, "Warrant accuses of lewd conduct with a child under 14, each count punishable by three to eight years in prison." You don't have to read the story. Put it all in the headline. Those people are cool. Anything else there I liked? Yes, but we'll just move on, anyway.Where did they put it?

The "Dallas Morning News" -- I like this headline, "From stardom to sad spectacle. Molestation charges are latest scandal to tarnish Jackson's image." I'm not sorry. I don't mean to laugh. It's not funny, is it?

"Chicago Sun-Times": "The King of Pop facing abuse rap." Up here, "What would Aaron do?" OK, they're waiting for the end of "The Bachelor," I guess. "We wait on bachelor Bob's choice and wonder who Aaron Brown would choose."Aaron Brown chose a long time ago, and happily."Holy mackerel," the weather tomorrow in Chicago, 64 degrees.

We'll wrap up the day and recap the top story in just a moment.

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